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Everything posted by notin
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Honestly, given what Sale has been going through the past 4 years, how much it’s cost the Sox and how little has translated into on field success, was it really that hard to understand? If Sale had pitched 120 IP over the past 4 years for another team, and Breslow signed him, it would be labeled as a Dumster Dive signing here. And understandably so. But because he is elsewhere and gave the Braves 11 good spring training innings, Breslow clearly traded the 2024 and 2025 Obvious Cy Young Winner for an unproven player with a fatal groin injury, and only did so to save money despite agreeing to pay over 2/3 of Sale’s salary. By the way, Chase Anderson has pitched 11 better innings than Sale this spring. How come that’s meaningless?
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Agreed. There’s no such thing as a bad minor league contract. Not sure why the Sox give this guy a Major League deal when better pitchers like Eric Lauer and Domingo German had to settle for minor league deals elsewhere. I’m not a huge Mike Clevinger fan either, but I would have begrudgingly understood a one year deal there as well…
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I don’t mind dumpster dive signings. Some of them do pan out and become quite productive. But they shouldn’t be the only signings…
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Also only 192 IP in the past 4 years. Not sure why they passed on a few others in order to give this guy a Major League deal…
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If a GM is on a 4 year plan, I hope he isn’t relying too heavily on the draft…
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Not according to this thread. Grissom is just an expendable prospect and Chris Sale is currently a great pitcher. Haven’t you been reading about it?
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1. Bye Joe Jacques? Please. 2. I think they signed him because his successes from 2017-19 were in a period in his career he was throwing 92-93mph on average for his fastball. He then lost a couple mph on it and it didn’t get that high again until 2023. So maybe that’s what they’re hoping on? But yeah, he’s pretty much bottom of the barrel. Makes me long for Kyle Gibson…
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No they didn’t. They had the Sox include $17mill to cover a huge chunk of his salary.
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I’ve campaigned for that as well, as both have a solid track record there. Although I do think a lot of people (myself included) forgot Houck actually looked mildly promising as a starter in 2021. He didn’t rack up the IP as he needed to, but he did post a 3.68 ERA in the role. I do know Sale hasn’t been the answer to keeping them in the bullpen. It’s probably more accurate to say Sale is a big part of the reason one or both were needed as starters. I’d rather the Sox had gone out and gotten even some mediocre starters (Eric Lauer, for example) and kept both in what could have been an absolutely killer bullpen. But just because they’re both better relievers doesn’t mean they have no future as starters. And their limited track records are not anything either cannot necessarily overcome…
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Think Sale still is a great pitcher? If the Sox simply wanted to trade away Sale’s contract, they had other offers that gave them less in return but took on everything owed to Sale. Grissom was definitely a player Breslow was targeting here…
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We’ve also seen pitchers with worse track records as starters at their age actually become good starters. Derek Lowe being a prime example…
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Think Sale was going to be worth that $20mill in 2025? It was very far from being any sort of guarantee…
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Jury is also still out on how healthy Sale is, not to mention what’s he got left. He hasn’t been the same pitcher since 2018. The only think anyone know about Sale going forward is how much he is going to cost. But it is amazing how many people have looked up his spring training stats and thought “he’s gone all of 11 innings without surgery!! He’s clearly back to being the 6 bWAR pitcher he was before and will never again be the pitcher worth a total of 4.7 bWAR in 5 years since!”
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That was a vesting option based on Cy Young voting…
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Would you rather have Sale for 2024 only? Or Vaughn Grissom for the next 5 seasons?
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High schoolers are typically the higher ceiling picks. Think about it - we’re talking about a pool of players already identified as having potential MLB talent before age 18. Of course they’re also usually tougher to sign, since they have the option of going to college. And many use that in their negotiations. College players often took longer to get noticed. Doesn’t mean they’re going to be better or worse. But it does often mean they’re older. Wyatt Langford was mentioned earlier as making MLB before Mayer. Langford played college ball at University of Florida, and is actually 13 months older than Mayer, despite being drafted 2 years later…
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Some folks seem to be getting impatient with Mayer, but only one high school player taken in the 2021 first round has touched MLB. Jordan Lawlor has 35 career plate appearances, but that .335 OPS isn’t making it look like it worked to rush him there…
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Is he really doing that much worse than the 2021 second and third overall picks?
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Oh you think so?
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You think they’re going to be out of the postseason?
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Cron and Joely Rodriguez opted out. Good news for Dalbec and Criswell…
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If you’d says so be it…
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Six teams make the postseason from each league, but it seems like usually only 3 of them from each league made it the season before. Last year in the AL, we had Baltimore, Tampa, Toronto, Minnesota, Houston and Texas And from the NL, Atlanta, Philadelphia, Miami, Milwaukee, Los Angeles, Arizona. So which 3 from each league are out and which 3 from the remaining teams from each league will be in? My thoughts: AL - Out: Texas, Minnesota, Toronto. In: Seattle, Cleveland, Detroit. NL - Out: Miami, Milwaukee, Arizona. In: Chicago, San Diego, Cincinnati. Any other predictions?
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I have offense. I speak goodly…
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Al Pacino from Godfather III?
