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So? There are maybe a couple dozen people on this one forum. All those other sources might have different foci, but they’re still foci. It doesn’t make anyone wrong or right…
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Yeah don't care for all that. I grew up in Boston, familiar with the media. Know how it works. Not sure what you're point is, other than you seem to think anything said on talksox is unique. It isn't. Metrics are all mainstream now. That's reality. Not everyone likes them, but they're not the ideology of some limited group. The only place they are ubiquitous is among MLB front offices, and even their usages vary...
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Yeah post 333 was on the tale end of an argument you were having with Hugh about whether or not Atlanta would have taken even less money for Sale (post 284). As it came on the heels of the 2 year extension, there were people who believed Atlanta willingly extended Sale for no reason other than a strong belief he was clearly going to return to form. And not because they needed to get one done to get him to approve the trade...
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Or whatever your local media source is. Point being, I'm not going to hear it because I'm in the Midwest, where they don't talk much about Sale anymore, let alone give him catchy nicknames pertaining to his health...
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I don't listen to Boston AM radio. I live in Chicago...
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Post 232, from Old Red "I was all for trading Sale, but just didn’t like still paying him $17M to do it, but I’m over it, so I’m fine with the trade, and will feel even better if Grissom works out." Or would you like me to go back to post 165, where you question if Sale will pitch even a single inning? Dude, it's ok to not have seen this Sale Resurgence. Not sure why people are so afraid to admit they didn't see it coming. I'm not even sure Atlanta PBO Alex Anthopolous saw this coming. Certainly Breslow didn't. Quite possible even Sale himself didn't. If you look back through the thread, almost no one says Sale will bounce back and be great again. a700 does, albeit sarcastically. Why you need to insist now that you did it so you can proclaim yourself a soothsayer on some random internet forum is beyond me, Like most of us, giving up Sale was not something you had issues with. Heck, you overtly state multiple times you would prefer this deal go down with Henry keeping more money!!
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Hard to say, especially with the number of top ten lists. That could cover a wide range of prospects. If we go by Soxprospects.com, I think the top 4 are all out of bounds, especially with Perales taking himself out. But the one I question is Bleis. I know he looks like a "sell low", but I don't think A ball stats matter nearly as much as scouting perception and tools. I am not real sure about Zanetello, but I figure the Sox likely hold on him for a while and see how he develops...
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"Another idiotic complaint that, because I called Frail Sale as many others did not only on here, but lots of other parts of Red Sox Nation as well I wasn’t allowed to say that I think Sale will stay healthy this year, and have a good year with a lot better team in Atlanta. Imagine that! As the people at PF say just when you think things can’t get anymore ridiculous on here someone outdoes someone else, and it goes to an even lower standard. From PF to the few, but not so proud. S A L U T E." Where? I know you don't get ho preferences, ideas and predictions work, but this is just commentary on other people reacting to you. Look, if you want to call yourself a prophet as you repeatedly try to do, I'm fine with it if it will get you to shut the f*** up...
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He does credit some talking head for that, so it was not his concoction. But he used it enough...
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And you seem to ignore that the way baseball gets talked about on here is not unique to this site. Go to any Sox forum on the internet, and there will be some people talking about metrics, etc. Also people talking about farm system and prospects. And absolutely some Old School stat folk. There simply is not one common set of beliefs any more. For the past 30 years, I have been a loyal subscriber to Baseball Digest, which is definitely old school stuff. But I enjoy it. But I know there are dozens if not hundreds of other publications that delve deeper in to the math and the metrics. While that stuff is all good, true and (presumably) accurate, I don't read them as often. Because Baseball Digest is simply more fun to read...
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Yeah you never say Sale was going to be healthy and effective in that post...
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No one is saying it was a good trade. My only point is that it made sense at the time. It is truly amazing to me how many people thought it was painfully obvious Sale was going to bounce back to 2018 levels and therefor this trade made no sense. Despite that many of these people also blasted Bloom for not dealing Sale at the end of 2021 when some unnamed team (probably Atlanta) was willing to take the whole contract but give the Sox no prospects in return...
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Yeah but you never made it. I know you will pay yourself on the back until your arm breaks, but you blatantly said you were happy to see Sale go and only wished it had been done cheaper…
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Post 333 was you complaining about other posters’ commentaries. You hint that they call you a hypocrite if you said Sale was healthy, but that comment itself is not in that post. Hey, show me where you said it. Of course that would only further discredit you since you clearly stated you didn’t mind seeing Sale go. The argument “I’m happy to see Sake go because he’s going to bounce back” didn’t feel very fan like…
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1. Nice statistical crafting, making sure we count Sale’s 2019 in there. That way we can ignore that Glasgow’s 272 IP from 2020 to 2023 was nearly double Sale’s total over that period. 2. So do you now think past injuries are completely unrelated to future injuries? This isn’t a coin flip, where 10 heads in a row means nothing towards the outcome of the 11th flip. Plenty of pitchers are having good years despite injury-plagued pasts. But after this season, should the Sox sign Luis Severino for 4-5 years? Or Max Fried for 7-10? Are you that confident with your 2 pitcher sample size that past injuries are potentially irrelevant?
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True he snuck the Bogaerts thing in. And you ignored everything else. You keep insisting it was one bad season. But in the set of 93, 93, 108, and 84, which number is the outlier? The Sox did drop 24 games in the standings, which is a fact. But it also coincided with the vast improvements made in 2018 and 2019 with the other teams in the division.
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“When he pitched” is not a qualifier; it’s the point. Ignoring that Sale rarely pitched and considering one 40 inning stretch (that followed missing 8 weeks) is like saying “if you ignore the iceberg, the Titanic was a success!” Also, 40 innings at the end of an off-and-on 5 year stretch is proof he’s back? Do Grissom and Giolito get 40 AB/IP to “dazzle” as well?
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I think Henry looked at more than just W-L records. The Sox were falling in the standings, had the largest payroll in MLB history, had $300mill tied up in 3 oft-injured pitchers, had little time left on the deals for Betts and Bogaerts. Do you really think “one bad season” encompasses that? And I probably left out other factors and don’t know about even more…
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Post 15 of this thread, Old Red said “ I’m definitely not sad to see Sale get traded, but I don’t like paying $17M to do it.” So now your story is you thought he was not only going to be healthy, but also to bounce back. Yet you still were not sad to see him go. I suppose it’s nice to see you attributing your made up quotes to yourself now instead of making up quotes and attributing them to others…
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He had 4 years to do that here. Why couldn’t he? If Sale had shown anything since 2018, don’t you think he’d still be here?
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Ok. That settles it. ..
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That’s why I thought you meant Valdez. Not drafted, but like Wong, Abreu, Hamilton, etc. he spent time in the Sox minors
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Both teams had the same record (43-37) at the 80 game point. But with this team, that record is a pleasant surprise, while in 2019 it was an abject disappointment…
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Needed more fWAR from their assassin role…
