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7/02 SOX @ Marlins 6:40PM ET
notin replied to SPLENDIDSPLINTER's topic in Mike Grace Memorial Game Thread Forum
He’s been terrific since he returned from the IL… -
Eflin is another good target…
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7/02 SOX @ Marlins 6:40PM ET
notin replied to SPLENDIDSPLINTER's topic in Mike Grace Memorial Game Thread Forum
His ERA when he entered the game was 1.53.. -
7/02 SOX @ Marlins 6:40PM ET
notin replied to SPLENDIDSPLINTER's topic in Mike Grace Memorial Game Thread Forum
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That was an incredibly stupid trend. TJ surgery doesn’t add velocity. It does help some pitchers recover velocity they have lost due to wear and tear on their pitching arm, but that’s NOT the same thing…
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Bryce Harper just had TJ a couple years ago. Also Aaron Hicks, Didi Grigorius, Corey Seager. I wonder if the increased frequency is more a function of the increased availability of the surgery…
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Even if they thought he wasn’t done, in no way did the expect him to be as good as he has been…
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If we keep him and he comes back, then he definitely isn’t the next Chris Sale…
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Yes. It’s possible they view starting pitching as the riskiest among MLB investments, and Commodity Boy didn’t like risky investments. But when I saw experienced MLB arms like Lauer, German and Odorizzi going for MiLB contracts, I couldn’t help but wonder why Boston still wasn’t involved…
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Just ending the search for pitching at Giolito was a definite problem..
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I have my doubts breaking pitches have lead to an increase in TJ surgery. Isn’t the procedure also becoming increasingly necessary among position players? They don’t throw breaking pitches…
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Please no…
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Even Weissert has been a decent acquisition so far. Ditto Slaten…
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It’s also extremely possible the Braves committed those extra years to get Sale to approve the trade. This is very common, and since the extension happened so quickly - within a couple days of the trade, it had very likely been mentioned before the deal was completed, which almost always means the player is insisting on it before approving the deal. As Sale was a 10/5 player at the time, he absolutely had that right…
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“Pretty decent” is one thing. At this point, Sale is a Cy Young candidate. If I asked you to find another example of a pitcher who, at age 35, suddenly started pitching like he did at age 29, despite having pitched much less effective and much less often from ages 30-34, could you? Sale was nowhere this good back in 2019, and that was five years ago. Even Luis Tiant was younger when he had his very successful bounce back. He was only 31 when it started and by age 35, he was starting to decline again. Granted, Sale was always in better physical shape than Luis. But to do this at his current age is probably unprecedented….
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Money and control. Vlad makes $19.9mill this year and probably $25-30mill next year. And then his control ends. I know your proposal called for an extension, but that’s not part of what Toronto is trading…
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Oh no doubt. And how will it impact further salary dump trades? Because what not many are discussing is just how ridiculously improbable this Sale bounce back has been…
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I wasn’t surprised. Even in a lot of “salary dump” deals, the team trading the player away still pays the larger share. They take their savings where they can…
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Yes, because I’m theorizing that they are connected…
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I was just talking about saying $10mil from Sale and then spending an additional $18mill just to replace Sale…
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Ok. In hindsight, this deal has blown up in multiple ways. I had a good amount of faith in Crawford, Houck and Bello that to me, just adding an innings eater was enough to give this rotation a serious boost. So I liked this deal a lot more when I thought Giolito would pitch, Sale probably wouldn’t, and Grissom would step right in. I will say that despite his rocky start, Grissom appears to still be a favorite of Lou Merloni’s, not only as a player but as a person. And even if 2024 is a wasted year, he still might be worthwhile…
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That’s why I can’t call it was a salary dump. This deal increased spending slightly…
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Post 130, you clearly state you were on board because you liked that they acquired Grissom and it wasn’t a straight sales dump. And that’s fine. That’s how I felt about the deal. And almost everyone else, with very few notable exceptions. It seemed like a good plan,and a low risk plan, even if Giolito was taking steps backwards. But Murphy’s Law just ran amok on it…
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Yes it was all after the fact, which of course is true about his divorce stuff as well. Not like any of us predicted it. But Giolito pitched for two teams after July last year and then reached free agency. That’s a lot of medical exams in a short time. Health when the Sox signed him should have been well documented…
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I can understand sort of blowing past Price. If anything, the inclusion of Price dragged down Mookie. There was one big difference between Price and Sale before their respective trades - Price was actually pitching. In his 4 years prior to being dealt, Ptice through nearly 4 times as many innings as Sale did in a corresponding stretch. Both had similar seasons before the trade. But in his last 3 years after being dealt, Price only threw some 20 more IP than Sale has already given Atlanta. Trading Price didn’t come back to haunt them. (This cannot be said for the rest of that trade.) Sale was much less risky to deal. It just blew up. There’s a reason if you go back through this thread, very few people actually thought trading Sale was a bad idea at the time. Including you…
