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A Realistic View of the 2025 Red Sox: Part II
notin replied to moonslav59's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
Abraham Toro has brief history of going on hot streaks when initially called up, causing many fans to remark “where was this guy hiding?” They’re inevitably followed by cold streaks where those same fans ask “can we send him back there?” We never got the hot streak… -
And yet plenty of passable 1b in MLB were bad third baseman. Some, like Mark Teixeira, went from horrific 3b to elite defensive 1b. That whole clip about Brad Pitt (as Billy Beane) telling Chris Pratt (as Scott Hatteberg) while Brent Jennings (as Ron Washington) rambles on about the difficulty. Of course this scene ignores reality- Hatteberg did move to first and was part of the resurgent team that year that had one of the longest winning streaks in recent MLB history. Can Devers learn first? Absolutely. Will he? This year? TBD..
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Sacramento/Vegas isnt trading their top hitting prospect for that package. Yoshida is of no interest to them at any cost, as Brent Rooker holds the DH role. And Casas is of questionable value and durability. Abreu straight up for Tyler Soderstrom makes more sense. Kurtz has relegated Soderstrom to LF, where he is horribly miscast. Abreu is a defensive star in the OF. The Athletics OF of Butler-Bleday-Abreu looks pretty solid, with Kurtz at 1b and Rooker at DH. Boston could move former catcher Soderstrom to 1b and let Roman Anthony replace Abreu in RF. Yoshida is still in limbo, but that’s of no concern to the Athletics…
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Yoshida is a good fit for the type of disciplined hitter they need. But with Devers at DH, he really doesn’t fit. His contract makes him a difficult move, but he doesn’t fit have 3 options remaining…
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A Realistic View of the 2025 Red Sox: Part II
notin replied to moonslav59's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
Which makes DH easier to fill. All Star or not, he’s not a good defensive 3b. If Cora said he didn’t think Devers should play first because he wouldn’t be very good, thats one thing. That’s a managerial decision. (Or if Devers said the same thing, that’s ok too.) But Devers saying he doesn’t refusing because want to be moved around again is completely different. If Chapman blew a few saves and refused to go to the setup role, would you agree with him? -
Are the Red Sox on that list? Cause Devers isn’t getting traded…
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I’d rank him over Toro. The Sox don’t need a first base solution right now, but they could use a first base improvement…
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It’s probably worth pointing out at this juncture Devers clearly isn’t being forced to play first either. This entire scenario is because the CBO - not even the manager - asked him about fist base…
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Cora put to gun to Kyle’s head himself…
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So… Toro?
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They’ve been looking outside, but the only players who get moved this time of year are guys like Connor Joe. Joe is the Dalbec Deluxe package. Ive suggested Andrew Vaughn. Pros: Available. Plenty of 1b experience. Cons: sucks. Internal options have the popular Story/Campbell to 1b to clear a path for Marcelo Mayer. Those are common. I’ve seen Yasmani Grandal as a suggestion at 1b. Why not Grandal at catcher - where he still has defensive skills, and Wong at 1b? Wong is a former infielder and not much of a catcher (for framing at least. He can throw.) And all the Sox lose is Toro…
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Trade Ceddane Rafaela (-2.4) and Nazzan Zanatello (2.2) for Andrew Vaughn (-4.5) and Jordan Leasure (4.7) Fills a bullpen role, the 1b role and opens LF for Roman Anthony. The White Sox get a GG center fielder who can play anywhere else until July when the inevitable trade of Luis Robert takes place. And really if they don’t like Zanatello, I’m open to a dozen other options…
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We don’t even know if Breslow likes Yoshida. He might consider Masataka to be every bit the financial burden many fans do. Not like he signed him…
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Cora was apparently openly campaigning for Bregman, just he wanted him for 2b…
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No, but it makes the most sense to get him back. The goal as I see it is to get Abraham Toro OUT of the lineup. Yoshida is an actual MLB hitter. The prospects might be better, but will that be today? The Orioles brought up several players that were all obliterating AAA pitching, and we all saw Holliday, Kjerstad, and Mayo suddenly struggle upon being promoted to MLB. (A year later, Holliday does appear to be catching on.) Yoshida could struggle, but he’s less likely to than Anthony or Mayer. And certainly less likely to than Toro. If the Sox had some Rowdy Tellez type waiting in Worcester, Toro wouldn’t be here, Yoshida would be recovering, and Devers would be the DH. If the goal was to get Yoshida back to DH, Devers would have started playing first base a couple months ago. I suppose the Sox could go out and acquire someone like Andrew Vaughn. Let’s face it, he’s available now. But you have to bear in mind the 5’6” Vaughn really does suck…
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Oh Ive acknowledged the possibility that Cora prefers Devers at DH, possibly over all other positions. And that might be the right call. Im calling out Devers and his insistence on playing the victim card over simply being a team player like most players do in similar situations.* *Notable exception - Derek Jeter. Not exactly a feather in Derek’s cap IMO…
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Exactly. I’ve been calling out Devers defense for a couple years. My observations, as always fall into two distinct categories. 1. Times I’m right, and 2. times I’m wrong. That the Sox acquired Bregman for 3b (while he was willing to play 2b) supports the first category. All of the items in that group fall into one subheading - “stuff that should be painfully obvious”. Im not that astute. If I see it, and I’m right, it’s obvious. And that is why Devers lost his 3b job on his own…
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The Reds just acquired Connor Joe. Why doesn’t Breslow just do his job and get a player like that? (Again, sarcasm. Joe is the less versatile version of Romy Gonzalez.) But thats the kind of players you get in May trades…
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And I think Devers could refuse in ways that were more understandable. Like “i dont know how to play first base” or something like that. But his whole “do they expect me to play every position” sounded too much like a contrived plea for sympathy in a situation where no one was ever going to sympathize, excluding those who have created entire scenarios detailing what Devers was promised and is therefore dutifully owed…
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Cora’s judgment? The same judgment that decided filming opposing pitching signals and relaying them to the hitter is a good idea? Yeah that’s the guy to ally with here. Breslow is Cora’s boss. That’s what matters. Cora clearly doesn’t agree with him and has even attempted to be a good soldier, which are certainly his rights…
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He probably shouldn’t see the OF again, given his abilities or lack thereof. But since Bloom promised him he’d get to be the DH, Devers needs to step aside. (Sarcasm.)
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If Cora didn’t like Devers at 3b, why was his campaign around signing Bregman predicated on moving the Gold Glove third baseman over to 2b?
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He might end up being the worst defensive 1b, as well. And if that was his concern, it’s at least understandable. In my viewpoint, his promise was kept and he lost the 3b job on his own. But he has portrayed himself as a victim, and instead he looks like an entitled complainer. He’s an adult who should know better…
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Well, yes and no. He did actually have shoulder surgery and I would hope you can see how that affects his ability to make throws from the outfield. But he is a bad fit here if Devers remains at DH…
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You replied to my statement, not Cora’s. It is true if a bad defensive player refuses a managerial request to move, HEs a bad teammate. As I stated earlier, Cora has been unwilling to move Devers multiple times now. But is this an infication that he likes Devers at 3b or thinks Devers can be difficult?
