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  1. notin
    When someone argues that people who tried to disprove clutch hitters did so because they started off with the.assumption there was no such thing and only wanted to prove themselves correct, that is stating it was done with an agenda. And that post does appear in this thread....
  2. notin
    That's a very incomplete equation Ziegler was only around for a little over a half season homself. Why not adk if a full season of Thornburg plus a full season of Kelly plus a half seasonof Smith is more or less than a full season of Uehara, a full season of Tazawa and a half season of Ziegler?
  3. notin
    There is a big difference between believing in clutch hitters and saying everyone who doesn't is operating with an agenda...
  4. notin
    Pitchers who are typically not good enough to be starters are typically relegated to bullpen jobs. But one point about the Sox bullpen is the improvement in the rotation could and should lead to less reliance on the bullpen. Plus if Pomeranz winds up in the bullpen it might actually be pretty good. Starter depth might br the biggest issue. Getting decent pitchers like Niese tp take a minor league deal and serve as depth would be great but is unlikely. If health in the big three becomes an issue, the starter depth will lead to more reliance on the bullpen. So starter depth right now strikes me as the biggest weakness. Unfortunately it's a tough problem to address. The Sox really need one of the younger arms in the system to step up in a big way. I have no idea who has that potential. ..
  5. notin
    I'm questioning its accuracy as a label. ..
  6. notin
    Are you actually saying the clutch support crowd entered the argument without "knowing" the outcome? The stat crowd at some point did research and work and math. The non-stat crowd provided zero proof for the existence beyond "I know it when I see it." Yet somehow THAT is the side operating without a bias? Which side is really seeing their so-called expertise questioned?
  7. notin
    But "clutch" is?
  8. notin
    Not since "The Big Bang Theory" hit the airwaves...
  9. notin
    1. Not what he asked. 2. Are you actually trying to say stat people who "disproved" clutch went into it with a pre-determined mindset, but YOU have been open-minded on the subject? 3. Exactly why would the stat community have a pre-determined outcome for clutch? Saying "because they can't explain it" is a cop out and incorrect answer. First, that's a challenge to that type of crowd. And second,*are you saying "anti-stat" people are always so open-minded when it comes to change and are willing to embrace anything that challenges their "expertise"? You know, like defensive metrics?
  10. notin
    Maybe they have. But then maybe it's just a redundant label. When a great hitter comes through in a big situation, is he bring "clutch" or being a great hitter?
  11. notin
    But is it choking if a pitcher's ineffective outing in the post-season is because the long season simply wore him out?
  12. notin
    Just because you were always told something exists doesn't mean it does. That's how the Tooth Fairy is kept around. Anyway I never asked for proof clutch hitters exist. I asked for a definition.
  13. notin
    An emotion isn't an opinion. That's why we have two different words...
  14. notin
    So clutch is an opinion? If so, then there is no debate. It's not real...
  15. notin
    Actually I haven't said if it exists or not. All I've been asking for is a definition. I'm open on the subject.
  16. notin
    Ok Bellhorn, let's look at it this way. "Clutch" is up for debate, as many are currently engaged in. But "choke" seems to be widely accepted. So is it possible that "clutch hitting" is really being on the receiving end of "choke pitching"? Did David Price choke or was Lonnie Chisenhall clutch? Or both? (Or wad Lonnie a little lucky?)
  17. notin
    Of course fear of failure isn't necessarily the same thing as being clutch. Given how often hitters fail, it better not be...
  18. notin
    So have you ever talked to a major league coach or manager about clutch hitters? I suppose I could also ask who wrote about it and why they didn't define it while writing. Seems like a poor way to address the topic...
  19. notin
    That's funny. As that I'd EXACTLY the direction I was heading in. We all think of choking and failure and clutch as being associated with big moments, typically the post-season. But I would suspect the minor leagues are far more pressure packed. Players like Buckner and Schiraldi and Scott Norwood might live in ignominy, but they also lived well. They lived their dreams. But how about minor leaguers who need to impress or face a lifetime of bus rides and winter jobs?
  20. notin
    Maybe they can. Maybe they also have a definition of one as well. But at this point, are you saying the entire argument for the existence of clutch hitting rests solely on the testimony of a bunch of people you have never talked to and likely never will? By that logic, I can prove the existence of UFO's...
  21. notin
    At what level were you playing when you lived in all this clutch hitting?
  22. notin
    Mark Loretta, an All Star who never banged a ball girl, preceded Pedroia at 2b
  23. notin
    That's a horrible definition. Far too subjective. As a former (?) lawyer, you should be keenly aware the definition didn't work for them, and doesn't work for you (or me). If either of us can randomly determine when a hitter is "clutch" it takes all meaning from the word and leaves it as a bare bones concept at best. And maybe coaches and players can recognize it, but our observational skills aren't as tuned in as theirs. And it's not like we talk to them about it. Bottom line is, if you can't even tell me what a clutch hitter is, how can you know enough to recognize one?
  24. notin
    How about an anti-stathead crowd?
  25. notin
    I question the idea of choking moments in a game where even the best hitters are successful only 30% of the time...
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