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It might not be a non-issue. The Mariners have a couple players the Sox should like. Both might be reaches for Vazquez (assuming he is the target). But I’d say there is a mild possibility of a deal. My personal preference is to move Swihart if any of them have to go. But if a good trade can be found for Vazquez, I assume DD will listen...
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Oh you say that about all the Sox players. But a player’s true value in a trade depends on only two things, neither of which can be quantified statistically (although they might be justified that way). The only true factors to determine trade value are 1) How badly Team A wants to acquire the player, and 2) How badly Team B wants to keep the player. If the Mariners really want Vazquez, they offer more for him. If they don’t want him that much, they offer less and move on if it doesn’t meet the Sox demands...
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That was very likely the plan. In fact, Koji appeared to be pretty far down the bullpen later when he was acquired...
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I wouldn’t mind if Pomeranz returned. When healthy, he’s much better than he showed last year. And he might be relatively cheap if the Sox do spend heavily on a closer like Kimbrel...
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Tough to answer, as Dombrowski doesn’t post here. But there is a possibility of a deal, since the Mariners now have a need and the Sox have a surplus. I would imagine the only two players on the Mariners’ MLB roster that would intrigue the Sox and not be a massive overpay are Ryon Healy and Alex Colome. However, getting a minor leaguer or two to serve as viable trade chips is always possible...
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I believe it was the 2012 Cardinals who broke every myth about needs to win a World Series. Their ace went down in March for T.J. and they used at least 5 different closers over the course of the season, none of whom were acquired in midseason trades that year. Even looking at Koji, who was really never a closer before the Sox. And the Sox didn’t bring him in for that role, but had to use him there becaise the two experienced closers they brought in both went down with injuries. Really the only truth is that in order to win, a team simply has to get hot at the right time. This is easier for some teams than others...
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And you always insist you want to. I was teasing, of course. I just forgot to put in my to indicate this...
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I think we can all agree Kinsler did not win a Gold Glove based on his accomplishments with a bat...
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Not to mention,it’s never been proven, let alone time and time again, that you need a closer in the postseason. And you only have to go back as far as the 2016 Astros to see one example. There are plenty of others as well. In fact, a significant number of World Series champions have used multiple closers over the course of the season....
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Well that’s probably a short trip, and one that makes me question reading comprehension. Where did I say Duquette and Dombrowski were comparable? If anything, I excluded Duquette from the GMs With Rings Club, which has 3 Red Sox members. Duquette certainly left Epstein a good foundation, but then Cherington left Dombrowski with a good foundation and BC takes an endless pummeling on this board. As for Duquette, I was one of his biggest critics, but a lot of that was because in many cases he was further ahead of the game than I realized. He wasn’t so bad as a GM. But he still remains the last Sox GM not to win a ring (not counting the interim guys, Mike Port and Mike Hazen)...
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Would we have been in the playoffs without Betts? And before anyone asks if we would have been there without Martinez, we were in 2016 and 2017...
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Remember, folks. No disparaging comments about Dombrowski in front of cp176. It makes him cranky. Lighten up. Every GM gets criticized on this and every other Sox board on the entire internet. Dombrowski has a great year, but bear in mind the last Sox GM who didn’t “get it done” was Dan Duquette...
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Teams have 15 extra players on the 40 man roster and typically come close to using all of them at some point in the season. In fact, most teams will add players to the 40 man roster during the season. The 2018 Red Sox called up 13(ish - quick count) players from the minors last year. This does include non- prospects like Dan Butler and Brandon Phillips...
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It’s not a question of whether or not he’s been a great closer. The question is, will he continue to be one for the next 5 years, and to learn the answer can cost up to $100mill. And even if the answer is yes, how important is it for the Sox to have the closer position locked up through 2023 when the team could stand to lose so many much more important players, including Betts, Bogaerts, Bradley, and Sale, among others. They can get another closer and probably will. Closer might not be the best use of what could be limited resources this off-season...
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I agree. I think Kimbrel moves on and DD either tries to sign a closer or trade for one. And he doesn’t even consider Durbin Feltman an option for closer in 2019...
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The Yankees would only need him to be effective for 3 more years. Since his AAV in that time is only $9.3mill, it’s not even debilitating if he isn’t. To me, the big question is, will Cashman be willing to meet the asking price, which will rival the one Boston paid for Sale? I’d expect at minimum, Sheffield, another top 5 prospect (Flovial?) from the NYY farm, and another prospect that Cleveland likes. Would Cashman pull a trigger on that deal? Or will he be stupid?
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Groome may one day be a terrific pitcher, but right now I don’t like seeing him ranked so high in the Sox system. He’s been in the organization for three years, and in that time has thrown all of 62 innings, resulting in one more win (3) than his combined total of Tommy John surgeries and PED suspensions. Either his high school pedigree is so immense it’s nearly impossible to tarnish, or the Sox farm is extremely weak that so few can surpass these extremely minimal accomplishments...
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But he still focused on and targeted Kimbrel. He didn’t go and trade for, say, Francisco Rodriguez. He clearly valued the role of closer and wanted an elite pitcher in it. This is why I’d be surprised if Barnes, Kelly, or (especially) Brasier opens the season in the role. Now DD has said publicly he might fill the role internally, specifically naming Barnes and Brasier as candidates. But this looks like a negotiating tactic. There’s no other reason to make that statement right now...
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Barnes probably does, but Brasier could also be a flash in the pan. The Sox could and probably should give him lessser roles than closer in the Boston pen...
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This isn’t about being negative. There are numerous organizations who evaluate farm systems, probably using a variety of criteria. All of them say the Sox farm is weak, especially when compared to other teams. All of them. The only people saying it isn’t are Sox fans in denial. And just because your local weatherman can’t do a 10 day forecast doesn’t change this. It’s a bad farm. That’s ok, because the parent club is very, very good. The only issue is the Sox might struggle to add a player or two in December or July. But they probably have enough to get that done. And really, sometimes that’s doesn’t even take that much when you look at what the Sox have up the last two July’s. In a couple years, this will be a bigger deal when the Sox try to replace Sale, Betts, Bogaerts and Bradley and the internal solutions might be Bryan Mata, Nick Decker, CJ Chatham and Jarran Duran. Those are not equal sets of players...
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Barnes is an option, but I think DD probably prefers an experienced closer based on his past experience in building bad bullpens. He did go get Kimbrel before he had any semblance of a good starting rotation...
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There isn’t much to get excited about, but if the Sox need a dirt cheap RHH 1b, he does fit that description and is already here. At best, he is a stopgap to Chavis, who would have a better chance at opening day but missed a lot of time last year due to his suspension...
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It all comes down to cash. Maybe the Sox will go cheap there and use Travis and eventually Chavis as his platoon partner
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But the top 3 or 4 WAR leaders will usually make a pretty easily defensible list of candidates...
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Where does Ian Kinsler rank in Red Sox infamy?
notin replied to StephenCurry30's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
By the time Kinsler made the error, what was left of the lineup was pretty abysmal. Before the series, people were worried about having Vazquez or Leon on the lineup, as it created a weak spot. That game the Sox had both of them in their for what was about a full game worth of innings...
