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I would hope some do. but so far at least 3 posters have voiced displeasure with the effect on games by lengthening it. That's appalling, especially if you had any outrage over steroids...

Especially since the Sox would pay him like $500K and the Giants would be paying him $11.7 Mill. Perfect payback for Sandoval...

But he already has a job. I'd take Torey Lovullo back, but he is working right now, too...

What does what Fiers’ teammates think of him have to do with his honesty and moral principles? Integrity isn’t about becoming an accomplice for the good of the team. True integrity can involve the very type of sacrifice you’re alluding to with Fiers. Never mind his past teammates. Will new teams want him on board, knowing he will go public if they cross the lines? To be a whistle blower with borderline talent can end a career. You don’t see teams lining up to sign Larry Bigbie. And it’s weird that the only outcome from this that any fans have voiced displeasure in is that it lengthens games. When steroids are involved, people want history rewritten with asterisks next to pennants and home run titles and the existence of some players wiped from the annals of Cooperstown. But with other forms of cheating from Apple watches to spitballs, the level of anger from fans is based solely on how it effects televised games. If teams could figure out a way to cheat during commercials, I doubt any fans would care at all. Many years ago, I heard Jason Stark sum it up simply, but perfectly. “Fans don’t like cheating if it leads to more home runs. But that’s it.”

I didn’t whine about him as much as a lot of people did. And right now, he looks pretty good...

And when it does come time to move past Roenicke, I hope Bloom follow two simple rules for hiring a new manager. 1. Don’t hire Bobby Valentine 2. Don’t hire Mike Scioscia.

And until a report is released, we already all know the answer. Roenicke will manage if he is not implicated. Someone else will manage if he is...

There was a question about Roenicke’s involvement. The Astros engineered a huge plot to steal signs that involved installing a camera and monitoring a live feed. The Red Sox has some players checking existing replays that every team has access to. Maybe the same ethically, but worlds apart in terms of conspiracy...

Of course it matters. Every team has a video room. How many have installed secret cameras in CF for the sole purpose of getting signals and sequences fed directly to the clubhouse? And if Cora went to being a better cheater, why did he switch to a less effective system? Houston could have had a line on every pitch. Boston only did when a runner was on second.

No, that doesn’t cover it. Cora should and will get punished regardless of actual involvement, but for now implicating other coaches in a scandal for no reason is just making random accusations...

That’s a MASSIVE oversimplification to compare the two. The Astros had a a secret camera to give them a live feed of the signals and sequences from every pitch. The Red Sox used a runner on second base (that the opposing team presumably knew was there) to relay info to the hitter, and when no one was on second, they did NOTHING. But yeah, the Apple Watch scandal will impact the punishment...

We don’t even know if Cora has a role. Until there are details from an actual investigation, there is no point in random accusations...

Dombrowski has been around a long time and has a history of winning by spending heavily on star talent, which he wouldn’t need to do if he also embraced cheating. Cora has been in the dugout for two such scandals. While I doubt he implemented this “step backwards” method, that he did not put a stop to it is the problem...

Yeah if you want to clean up the image and disassociate your team with cheating scandals, Pedroia is the guy you want. [sarcasm]

Every team need to have a Mike Fiers/Larry Bigbie type player with actual integrity. We as a culture embrace this “team code” but the reality is, it’s bad for the sport...

I think the Sox get hit hard for the repeat offense. Their “cheating” method was laughable compared to what Houston did. But because they’ve been warned before and a fine clearly did NOT get the message across, Manfred has to be harsher. He can’t be so stupid as to just levy a fine again, can he? It’s also looking like Roenicke gets to drive the bus for a while...

The legal system in that case also has a term for probation, such as one year or 5 years or whatever the judge says. And with the Red Sox, they will be treated as repeat offenders despite most of the original offenders actually not in the organization anymore or not involved this time...

He’s also 3 years younger, makes $5mill less and was a 5fWAR player before his injuries. You’ve always stated Happ was a worthwhile gamble to return to his previous level. Cozart is even less of a gamble. Or - maybe you’re right and all some team needs to get excited about Happ is someone like Tarpley, Cessa or Holder. Of course, if that’s all it takes to shed $17mill, it does pose the obvious question about why it hasn’t happened yet...

All it takes to stop what the Sox did is put one league employee in the video room...

It was doing during a game that is the issue. Replay review is fine any other time. In fact, as far as I can tell, replay review before or after a game to determine signs and sequences is perfectly legal...

I’ve posed that question twice in different contexts. I doubt Cora was involved, since he clearly had better techniques and had not been caught yet. That doesn’t mean he shouldn’t get punished or fired...

It’s a pretty damn big distinction. The methods the Astros used to steal signs was electronic. The Sox used a runner on second base. The only reason the Sox should be punished as harshly is because this is not their first offense. If, say, the Brewers were doing what Boston did, I would not expect them to be punished the same as Houston...

I would be surprised if Dombrowski was implicated. This wasn’t a complicated plot involving camera installation and a live feed for signs. This was players possibly acting independently checking out video feeds to learn opposing signs and sequences. Since many of them have been plugged into something for a huge chunk of the last 10 years, it’s not surprising they wanted to see video. Not that it’s an excuse, but they might not even known it was illegal. You really can’t suppose that about the Astros. These two scandals are not apples and oranges; they’re apples and basketballs. The only common thread is Cora, and he probably scoffed at the players doing this. “These kids today, thinking they know how to steal signs with their ‘video rooms.’ Harumph! In my day, which was last year, we set up cameras and banged garbage cans. And we liked it!!”

Yes but it was the coupling of it with the deciphering in the replay room that makes this illegal. What works for the Sox is, this is light years different than the Astros live feed electronic sign stealing. If both teams were robbing liquor stores, the Astros pulled out a gun and went straight for the register while the Red Sox were abusing the “take a penny, leave a penny” dish. What works against the Red Sox is this is not the first offense. I don’t think that having a new manager and GM will factor in here either...

Technically the Red Sox never did electronic sign stealing. They did use replay technology to decipher the opponent’s pitch signals and sequences. But live action signs were stolen and relayed by a runner on second base, which as a stand-alone action is perfectly legal...