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  1. notin
    So you’re saying they turned down better prospects to get more bad ones? Did the Orioles front office tell you that? They might not have the best farm system, but it is a safe bet the Orioles’ front office is well aware of prospect attrition rates and how few become actual major leaguers. They took the best deal they could get...
  2. notin
    Well, there was. Teams are already reporting to Spring Training. When was the right time? What if no opportunity arises in March? And once the season starts, Betts' value plummets due to the loss of the compensatory draft pick. In July? Position players just don't fetch those kinds of returns in July trades. Know how many good pitching prospects the Orioles got for Machado? None. They really only got one decent prospect, and even his luster has already worn off. If the Sox did no deal Betts now, the return would have only decreased. If the Sox couldn't get what they wanted for him now, they were never going to.
  3. notin
    The idea of dealing Betts and taking back Myers was always a laughable one. It was like the Padres really only wanted to see if Bloom would do it. Even if the Sox received half of Myers' contract, the Padres still received Betts basically for free along with a draft pick, gave up a couple of the non-elite prospects and unloaded their heavily paid fifth outfielder. The Sox didn't get under the limit and took on another deadweight contract, and all that to get maybe one reasonbly good prospect from the Padres? Complete rip off. At least put Gore on the table, San Diego.
  4. notin
    Ok. Who was offering pitching?
  5. notin
    Once they off-loaded Price, even at half of the value, and Betts, the need to deal JBJ dropped precipitously...
  6. notin
    Yes, but only if no one else wanted him for more. Once they non-tender him, he is a free agent. Now they could have offered him 2 yrs / $12mill instead of tendering him arbitration, But no way was Bradley's agent ever going to advise him to accept that...
  7. notin
    I was not so much against as I was expecting it...
  8. notin
    So you don't think Betts for Myers, Cal Quantrill, Manny Margot and Luis Campsano was the better deal? Plus we also got to keep Price!!
  9. notin
    Maybe. But I read somewhere he was not much at any of the positions the Dodgers tried him at. Granted, they also have better prospects than him at C, 2B, and 3B...
  10. notin
    I do. But only when they involve really big contracts or medium sized ones for oft-injured SPs...
  11. notin
    I still don't think they got a catcher. The Dodgers were moving Wang around the infield most of last year to see if he stuck anywhere. He'll probably be an OF himself at some point, assuming he keeps hitting...
  12. notin
    OK. What team was going to give up a bona fide pitching prospect for Betts? Did they turn down offers for all these elite young pitchers to take Verdugo? Or was he the best player available without taking Wil Myers contract back and keeping Price?
  13. notin
    He was ranked by BA one year, like #96 or around there. That's no "sure thing" either, but it's not much worse than Casas. My point is there is just no such thing as a "sure thing" in A ball, when the vast majority of your competition will never play another level. The real attrition starts in AA, and to me, that is the most predictive level. I don't take any prospect seriously until he gets to AA. (That doesn't mean i think all A ball players can and should be traded. But in many cases, it actually winds up being the right time to do so.)
  14. notin
    Yeah this place really went into the shitter then...
  15. notin
    Sorta my point
  16. notin
    Yeah it makes me miss the old days when we ll just mailed VHS cassettes to each other. So much more efficient...
  17. notin
    Nah. Just a crappy spell checker...
  18. notin
    Well, they did try to get a pitching prospect. That did not work out and either the Dodgers were not amenable to including on of their pitchers or the Sox did not like any of the ones they would make available. This was a salary dump. Everyone gets that. If it wasn't, David Price would still be in Boston. But I think a lot of people seriously overvalue what one year of Betts at $27mill was going to get in a trade. The Sox were NEVER going to raid the top of the Dodger or Padre farm systems for the right to pay Mookie $27mill for a single season and then collect a draft pick. The Sox actually got more than I thought they would even if they hadn't included half of Price. And I think that is the point that YOU are missing in your deep hunt to find the inner truth behind exactly how nefarious this deal was...
  19. notin
    The really sad part of the Sox death of outfield talent is that the only outfielders even remotely of note that Dombrowski only traded away were Manny Margot and Luis Basabe....
  20. notin
    Maybe I am his agent...
  21. notin
    And also somewhat mitigated by the fact that they went after Pillar, a player likely to settle in to a fourth outfielder role. If t hey were really worried about Verdugo for all of 2020, they might have gone after Puig for one year. This is clearly not the case. Even if Verdugo misses April, they have him for FIVE YEARS. If they did not make the deal, they had Betts for one year. This deal was not just about 2020, and, as mvp said, they clearly wanted Verdugo and did not think the back injury was serious enough to jeopardize his career for five years. With Graterol, there was concerns about him long term. With Verdugo, apparently not so much.
  22. notin
    Per soxprosepcts.com, the Red Sox only have 4 outfielders in their top 37 prospects. They have 5 shortstops in that range...
  23. notin
    I didn't want to trade him, either. But I think it was absolutely necessary...
  24. notin
    The Sox outfield depth in the minors is criminally shallow...
  25. notin
    Let's ask Trey Ball and Mauricio Dubon...
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