moonslav59
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And, he might be worth overpaying to get. Now, what would an overpay look like? I can't see a top 3 prospect going, or even Cespedes or Bleis, but would we trade Zanetello & Sandlin? (Maybe add Wink?) Would LAA accept? How about Bleis & Wink?
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Indeed, the last three largest FA deals have seen major injuries and or underperformance, when healthy. $140M/6 Story- 145 games out of 486 and just a .681 OPS $90M/5 Yoshida (plus a $15.4M posting fee)- 173 games out of about 239 at .754 $38M/2 Giolito- No GS in year one. We did do well with some mid-level deals like Jansen ($32M/2,) Martin ($17.5M/2,) and Turner (~$15M/1) but a few not so good- like all the $10M/1 deals: Kike II, Kluber & Richards. (The $18.8M/2 extension to Barnes was a bust.) Bloom did much better with the $3-7M deals, like Wacha, Hill, Duvall, Strahm, Renfroe and Kike I at $14M/2 and Paxton at $10M/2.
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I know the Aaron Civale trade has not worked out well for the Rays, but I wonder if Brez will look for a pitcher with 2+ years of control, like that trade was. He doesn't seem like the type of GM that would grossly overpay for a 2 month rental, but this is his first deadline, so we'll see. IMO, he will likely do a few under the radar type deals, but maybe we see a Schwarber type deal, this year.
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You thought the "his" was about Pivetta? Indeed, but again, Martin is not a closer and Pivetta will likely triple his IP in AUG & SEP...
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Agreed. Nobody was for a Duran extension even 2 years ago. Many had doubts 2023 might have been a fluke. That's why it's risky with extensions before knowing who the player will be. I hope we guessed right on Rafaela and Bello. The early returns look mixed.
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Well, even he had to raise us from 13 to 11.
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Martin will throw maybe 20 IP in AUG-SEP, and Nick might throw 60. You seriously did not get that point? The team trading for Martin or Pivetta is looking at the value of 15-20 IP from Martin vs 50-60 from Pivetta.
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Getting a SP'er would maybe make Criswell the long guy over Anderson. When Criswell returns, Keller will likely be demoted. Zack Kelly can go 3, too. If we bring up Wink, he'd be in that mix, too. At some point, Campbell will get another shot. Maybe he replaces Booser, despite him being a LHP.
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Good pull on 2018. I couldn't think of anyone.
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Sox moved up to 11th on MLB.com's power rankings, but still behind KCR, who we just passed in the standings. The top 7 all stayed the same.
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Indeed, but again, Martin is not a closer and Pivetta will likely triple his IP in AUG & SEP, and this was all based on Nick doing well over the next 6 weeks.
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It was 1st on my list. Again, we were talking as if we were going to trade and be sellers. It's hard to imagine you not knowing that.
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True, and I have not called him a bust, either.
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A lot of Sox fans at Cincy, including our good luck charm, Thunder.
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Like Millar, Papelbon, Gomes and Manny.
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Just win, baby!
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Exactly, and hence this debate about Rafaela and Bello, who were both extended before knowing much for sure.
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I wasn't calling him a bust. I was actually wondering, if we might trade for him.
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I have agreed on this pint. It looks like none will be traded, unless it's a sideways move ML'er for ML'er in a higher need area. I don't see Pivetta, Jansen or Martin being traded. O'Neill probably won't be either, since he bats RH'd. We were just talking theoretical trade value in 6 weeks.
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Agreed, and it depends on the other team needs, but if you go by fWAR which tolts heavily to more IP as having more value, Pivetta might be worth more.
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I think the idea was to have extended him 2-3 years ago, maybe to age 32 or 33, at a less cost than he will get now.
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Was 2023 a fluke for RHB Zack Gelof? He's really struggling, this year.
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Good thing players don't make the trades.
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Agreed, but not many of us were clamouring for those a couple years or more ago.
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With so many teams in the playoff hunt, many need dependable SP'ers, and would jump at a SP'er with a 4.05 ERA since 2013 (110 ERA+) 4.09 FIP 1.13 WHIP Take a look at some rotations of contending teams. I'm not saying he'd net us a top 5 or 10 prospect, but I think he would bring back more than some seem to think he will. I do agree that Martin is a better pitcher, but he has some concerns, and not just about age decline, and he is not a closer. Pivetta can easily triple the IP Martin will et over the last 2 months of 2024. That has real value.
