moonslav59

While he certainly is slapping the Sox FO face, he's also undermining his own persona. He's confirming this was more personal than about his feeling about being forced to play "every position." Had he made this statement publically, a 2-3 months ago, he'd probably still be here.

Can't disagree, here. (I don't think we allow Gio to get to 140 IP, so his cost is $39M, but add the Hendriks signing to the pile of rubbish.)

I have spoken about several reasons beyond the move to DH and proposed move to DH issues. The "He never needed to play 1B." is irrelevant. They felt he needed to, and so did I, and he was not willing to, when he should have gladly accepted what was best for the team. He was dogging it, and it wasn't just a one time occurance. He was not setting good example to the other players, and we have an inordinate amount of rookies and 1-3 year players on the 26. He was being paid $31M to DH only. I know that doesn't mean we can afford to just let his bat go for very little in return, and replacing his money is something nebulous and speculative, but the fact is, no DH is worth $31M a year. Also, in the whole history of MLB on 8+ year deals, I challenge you to find one where a team would not have chosen to get out of the deal during or after year 2. (Not saying you cant find one or two, but the vast majority makes my point.) Look, this sucks. I'm not happy about it. I want Devers in our line-up as much as anyone and everyone. I was the guy saying "Devers forevers." Maybe, I'm reaching to try and find a silver lining or something to stay positive about. I get that. I know that about myself and realize my emotions may be clouding my opinions and statements. I do think Devers was overpaid, but I'm okay with overpaying for players that produce. I felt Papi was underpaid, but the fact is that nobody pays DH's much more than $15-20M a year. While Devers is still firmly in peak prime or even early peak prime, the majority of his remaining contract was not within prime years. I've never bought into the overweight talk and he "won't age well" talk, but just normal age progression charts would show, he won't earn the money, starting in about year 5 or 6 of his 10 year deal, and we already got year 1 and part of year 2 from him. He wasn't happy, here, anymore. I know I got some rightful grief for the "smiling less" comment, but things weren't the same. I know it's easy to say Brez & Co were to blame and they should go- not Devers, but we all know that wasn't going to happen. I think the rub with Devers went higher up than just Brez. It may have even reached JH, and JH ain't firing JH. The example he was giving to the kids, even discarding the whole Campbell report, which I'm not so sure had zero truth to it, was a factor in my opinion that trading him was needed. I also think waiting until later to trade him may not have been possible, or we'd have had tp pay more and or gotten less in return. Call me Mr. Optimistic, but I think we got a pretty nice return- maybe better than what I felt we got for Betts, at the time of that trade, and certainly more than I thought we got for Bogey (a comp pick that ended up being Campbell.) Again, I am way more bummed than happy, but I would have been bummed had we kept Devers and things continued to unravel, as it seemed they were on pace for happening between him and management, him and his teammates, him and egg shell-walking Cora and more.

I don't usually report on DSL games, but this from SP.com: Dorian Soto had a huge performance, leading off the game with a home run and then blasting a two-run shot in the fifth inning in a 3-for-5 game.

With so many recent prospect graduations, I thought maybe it would be a good idea to look at out team, in terms of age -the under 30 list: Pitchers with some level of promise or proven skills: 17/18: Cason, Delzine, Reyes, Fajardo, Travieso 19: Valera 20: J Bello 21: Paez, Neely 22: Perales, Tolle, Clarke, Monegro, E Rivera, McShane, Holobetz, Ingrassia, Aita, Tygart 23: Harrison, Early, Carlson 24: Guerrero, Sandlin, Mullins, Wehunt 25: Dobbins, Fitts 26: Crochet, B Bello, Uberstine, Drohan 27: Slaten, Wink 28: Sandoval, Hicks, Criswell, Moran 29: Houck, Whitlock, Crawford Everyday Players: 17/18: Ju. Gonzales, D Soto, Azocar, Cason, H Rivas, H Ramos, Pinto, Fermin 19: Arias, Cespedes, Y Rod, A Anderson, Nunez, Salazar 20: Jo Garcia, Alcantara, Encarnacion, Zanetello 21: Anthony, Romero, Bleis, Brannon 22: Mayer, Jh Garcia, Taylor, Jordan, Castro 23: Campbell, Riemer 24: Rafaela 25: Casas, Hickey, I Coffey, Y Cruz 26: Abreu, Narvaez, Mata 27: C Murphy, I Campbell, DHam, Sogard 28: Duran, Romy, Toro, Eaton 29: Wong I see a lot of talent and promise on this list.

I can't keep up with 17 threads on Devers.

We'll never know the answer to this, even if Betts says he would or would not have. I doubt he'd take the offer he ended up getting, had we offered it before COVID and before we traded him. Just my opinion, since we will never know.

I know exactly what we lost. I'm not misled on that. I clearly stated, I'm not sure what is true on the Campbell thing and who said and did not say what to each other. Devers did not play 1B, when we needed him to. He did great at DH and we lucked out by seeing the Toro-Romy platoon work at 1B. This does not change the facts. I have stated that our offense took a gut punch. Does that show I was misled? This whole think sucked and still sucks. I still think Devers had to go. I doubt any other team would take him without us paying a bunch of money or including other players. Our offense will be much worse for at least the remainder of 2025, even if we trade for Hoskins or some other rental(s.) Maybe by the time Devers told the Sox "I'll play 1B," it was too late. We'd already found a solution that was working. I'm not being misled in thinking he should have jumped at the idea of doing what was best for the team Day 1, Day 2, Day 3...

I said I wasn't sure if I can believe everything, and I'm not sure I believe Cora or the guy who claims Devers said he'd play 1B, if we promised his fragile ego, we'd not "jerk" him around- all the way from 1B to DH. Poor guy. I feel so badly for Devers, now that "the truth" has come out.

What's with the Sox and FA SP'er signings? You could throw a dart at a board of pictures of FA pitchers in your price range and do better than we have done. $21M/1 Buehler (looks like a disaster, so far) $39M/2 Giolito (even if he pitches like his last 5 starts, the rest of the way, he's still overpaid.) $10M/1 Kluber (plain horrible) $10M/2 Paxton (one brief stretch of usefulness) $7M/1 Wacha + $5M/1 Hill (worked out okay, but missed them down the stretch) $10M/1 Richards (plain horrible) $5M/1 + $6M/1 Martin Perez (did very well, as soon as he left BOS) Although I view the Nate FA signing as an extension, it was technically a FA signing. That was a decent signing, but he still missed about 30-40% of his available starts. The Price deal was not a good one. Conversely, look at our trades for SP'ers: A Miller for ERod Cespedes for Porcello A boatload of prospects for Chris Sale. A boatload of prospects for Crochet Beeks for Nate Workman & Hembree for Pivetta Even the Pomeranz & Wink trades were better than our FA signings. The recent Sale for Grissom trade is the counter on the trade front, but how many other major trades for SP'ers backfired?

Oh, then that makes it all so much better! I wouldn't call playing 1B and DH being "yanked around" or asked to "play every position." He certainly never said "I'll play wherever you want me to play," like he said to his new team. At this point, I'm not sure what exactly was said between Devers and Brez and Devers and Cora or between Devers and anyone else, including Campbell, when he asked to play 1B. I hate losing the guy's bat, and this is a big gut punch to our 2025 chances and maybe beyond, but I'm firmly in the camp, now, of being glad we traded him. I'm off the fence and across the yard.

I mentioned adding a prospect. I think, last winter, I suggested Casas and Abreu for Woo. I remember someone really wanted Miller. The Casas for Castillo deal was discussed more.

It's like Woo is pitching against WOO.... Oh wait, he IS!

Looks like our offense needs a big bat- like that guy Devers on the Giants! 🤪

Interest in helping SF but not the Sox- you know, the team that signed him to $313M.

Abreu went 1-4 w Woo, today. Fitts finally pitched well (5IP 0ER 2H 0BB 3K) POR lost 1-0, but Early pitched great. 6IP 5H 1ER 0BB 8K. The Sea Dogs got 1 hit. Arias homered and is 2-3 by the 7th. Zanetello has 2 hits. Jh Garcia is 1-4.

Buehler has proved to be yet another bad FA SP'er signing by the Sox. Geesh!

"I'm here to play wherever they want me to play," said Devers. He went on to say... “First of all, I just want to thank the Boston Red Sox organization for signing me at 16 and giving me the opportunity to become a big leaguer,” he said via translator, Giants’ director of Hispanic Communications and Marketing Erwin Higueros. “I’m happy to be here with the San Francisco Giants, obviously happy to represent Latin America, and also happy to be able to meet Barry Bonds.”

This was said at the Devers presser in SF, today, but he could not say this in Boston: “He told us, ‘I’ll play wherever you want me to play, I’ll hit wherever you want me to hit,’” said Melvin. “He’s going to DH today, hit in the three-spot. We’re going to work him in and get him some ground balls at first and make sure he’s comfortable before we put him over there. That’s pretty much the way we’re looking at it right now, a little bit of DH, a little bit of first.”

Good to see you here, Thunder. The line-up tonight has Ref at DH vs a righty, DHam at 2B and 3 rookies 3-4-5 in the line-up. How much this team has changed since just opening day! On opening day, our rotation had Houck, Fitts and Newcomb as 3 of the 5. Casas was at 1B, Wong was our #1 Catcher, and of course Devers was the DH.

...and Schmidt... OPS Against (PAs) .975 Cole (46 most of any pitcher) 1.588 Schmidt (17 is T33rd in PAs)

True. Anthony and Campbell might be 2-3.

Had we traded Casas for Woo or Castillo, we might be in 1st place, even if we had to add a prospect. The idea of forcing Yoshida on them was a good one, and maybe if we offered more money, we might have got to a yes. Woo is at a 3.39 ERA in 13 GS and 82 IP (.623 OPS Against) Castillo is at 3.29 in 14 GS and 79 IP (.700 OPS Against) Both have dropped off after nice starts to 2025. Last 4 weeks: .790 OPSA Woo (5.11 ERA) .809 Castillo (3.52 ERA)

Last 4 Week ERA 2.70 Crochet 33 IP/5 GS 2.89 Bello 28 IP/ 5GS 2.84 Giolito 25 IP/5GS 3.91 Dobbins 23 IP/3GS & 2 as RP 6.14 Buehler 22 IP/ 5GS __________________________ Pen ERAs in order of most IP 0.69 Whitlock 13 IP 2.13 Weissert 13 IP 0.75 Chapman 12 IP 1.86 Wilson 10 IP 6.52 Bernardino 10 IP 4.32 Guerrero 8 IP 2.84 Kelly 6 IP 0.00 Slaten 5 IP (on IL) 1.93 Criswell 5 IP 0.00 Burdi 3 IP (on IL)

Sox ERA in the last 6 games: 1.15 (2.38 FIP) The 6 before this? 6.27 (4.64 FIP) Let's hope this corner we turned is onto a long road.