moonslav59

While I think WAR is a useful metric, I think it goes overboard on FIP. Porcello has been better and more consistent. ERA- and WHIP are both better and the IP are about the same.

You think he's done better?

The reason Wright even started this year was because of Buchholz. Buch's the reason we traded Espinoza. Buch was "healthy" when we started Kelly for 6 games (8.46 ERA), O'Sullivan for 4 games (6.64) and Owens for 4 games (7.79). How soon you guys forget! You're all falling for the same old crap that keeps getting us in trouble year after year. Counting on Buch is like counting on a broken abacus. I've been one of Buch's biggest supporters year after year. I've posted how his best two ERA- minus years are among the very best in MLB history. I've posted how if you add minor leagues with big leagues, he's actually started over 24 starts a season way more than most think, but this year was the last straw. Unless the guy leads us to a ring, I'm done with him. We can do better with the $13M. Add the $13M to the $30M already there and maybe we can get someone very special plus a couple stable pen arms and a cheap vet starter as the 6th man. We'll also have Johnson plus Kelly, Elias and Owens to trot out there again anyways.

He has done very well, but by the numbers, he's not even close to being our first or second half ace: 1st Half: 2.68 Wright 3.66 Porcello 4.34 Price 5.11 Owens 5.91 Buchholz 6.75 O'Sullivan 8.46 Kelly 8.59 ERod 2nd Half: 2.57 Porcello 2.73 ERod 2.95 Buchholz 3.07 Price 3.97 Pomeranz 5.06 Wright Seasonal Leaders: ERA Minus 72 Porcello 74 Wright 86 Price 89 Pomeranz 108 ERod 119 Buchholz WHIP 1.02 Porcello 1.20 Price 1.24 Wright 1.30 ERod 1.32 Pomeranz 1.43 Buchholz ...not by the numbers, anyway.

No way we'd ever get anyone better than Buch for $13M, but it's the durability and stability aspect I'd be converting to happily. Like I said, I don't know much about the RP'er available, but pick a name out of a hat and you'll get better consistency and stability. You could probably get 3 for the price of Buch, plus whatever we get back in trade. Again, I seriously doubt it happens, but if I were the GM, I'd do it. Plus, I think we can get better than a single A player. I'm not sure if Melancon would be okay with 8th inning duty, but WTF, we're paying Kimbrel $13M, why not make him the number 2?

I'm not saying I think this, I was just saying, we don't really know.

There's no such thing as a proven Buchholz either, and speaking of puking, I've already puked enough concerning Clay over the last few years to fill a 50 gallon barrel.

I'm not an expert on other teams' RP'ers, but maybe Boone Logan and Ziegler could be had for $7-9M combined. Maybe we could apply the $13M towards Jansen or Chapman.

He could have also been "ahead" because we needed a LF'er before we needed a 3Bman.

$13M gets two proven, healthy RP'ers.

If we find someone else we want for $13M or less over Buch, there's reason to sign and trade Buch. If we don't care about going over the limit, then fine, keep Buch for starting/LR depth and sign 2-3 RP'ers and Encarnacion.

1st place in the toughest division in MLB. We have as many teams over .547 or .529 as any 3 other divisions combined!

Maybe not. I doubt henry wants to pay a 50% luxury tax rate, so we'll have about $30-35M to spend this winter and rest the tax scale for the future. We may try to fill the 1B/DH slot, but we certainly will need to fill 2-3 pen slots. If we spend $13M on Buch, that doesn't leave much for the other high need areas.

I think I like this better: 1) Beni 2) Bogey 3) Betts 4) Pedey 5) JBJ 6) HRam (DH/1B) 7) Shaw/Moncada (3B) 8) Young/Swihart/Shaw (DH/1B) 9) Leon Typo: It's Vazquez not Velazquez.

Well, two of the teams ahead of them will be playing each other a lot of the time, so someone will lose each night.

It makes sense, if you don't want him at $13M and you'd rather get a decent A ball player or better over getting nothing at all. We got Marco Hernandez for Doubront. I'd think we could get something similar or better for Buch, assuming he ends the season well. I agree, it is highly unlikely we sign and trade.

LOL. Well said. I will add that the Beni sample size is also too small to know if he actually was ahead of Yoan or not.

The only truly "clutch" hitter on this team is Ortiz and that's because he has an OPS over 1000. Papi is a legend in the playoffs, but many of our players have not had the chance to prove they are "clutch" or not. Here's a look at regular season "clutch"- a term I feel is not really a skill set. Player Career OPS/ Late & Close OPS (career) (listed from least "clutch" to most "clutch") HRam .858/.759 (-.099) Pedey .812/.754 (-.068) Ortiz .931/.867 (-.064) Betts .856/.849 (-.007) J B J .725/.727 (+.002) Bogy .746/.771 (+.025)

He's also got his ERA below 5.00. It was at 6.34 in June.

Shaw has had a great last two games. If that can continues.... Uehara's back and could possibly help solve part of our weakest link- the pen. Papi just got a long rest. I wish we could afford to do the same with Bogey. HanRam is becoming the player we'd hoped he be. Even with our best first half starter out, our rotation looks better than it has in a long time. Not many teams can say that. Tough schedule coming up. Once we end the Toronto series, we're back to even on home vs away games (10-10). Let's take two of three and win the damn division!

Remember, before Moncada's last game, his numbers were decent and people were happy he was up and playing. Now, after one horrible game, the tone has changed dramatically. You'd think after witnessing quick-turning tides on sites like this for years, I'd be able to accept the fickle nature of many people, but I can't. I just don't get it. Had Moncada gone 2 for 4 in his last game, there'd be a whole different discussion. Shouldn't that make us examine our thought process a little more? Old timer's right, even with about 6-8 guys (HanRam, Moncada, Shaw, Pablo, Swihart, Hernandez, Travis and even Young at DH) fighting for the 3 slots next year (DH, 1B and 3B), there's plenty of room for Moncada and Shaw. Just do well, and you'll be playing on a regular basis.

Kudos to Yankee management for having the guts to blow up the ship without sinking it. I wish the Sox had had the courage to go totally young when they blew up the team in 2014. At least Cespedes morphed into Porcello, but at $20M a year, what did we really gain from losing Lester? $6M a year? Being a Sox fan, I have to hate the Yanks, but I'm glad they swept Toronto, and I don't think I've admired the way the Yanks have done anything ( like trying to buy championships) until now.

..........teams over .547/ teams over .529 AL East 3/4 AL Cent 1/2 AL West 1/2 (The AL has 10 teams over .500.) ____________________________ NL East 1/2 NL Cent 1/2 NL West 1/2 (The NL has only 6 teams over .500)

BOS (10H/13A) 7 vs BAL 7 vs NYY 6 vs TOR 3 vs TBR Toronot has... (13H/10A) 6 vs BOS 4 vs NYY 3 vs BAL 3 vs TBR 4 @ LAA 3 @ SEA BAL (11H/12A) 7 vs BOS 4 vs TBR 3 @ TOR 3 @ NYY 3 @ DET 3 vs AZ NYY (13H/11A) 7 vs TBR 7 vs BOS 4 @ TOR 3 vs BAL 3 vs LAD Nobody has an easy shot. Here's the standings now: BOS -- TOR -1.0 (WC) BAL -2.0 (WC) ____________ DET -1.0 from WC HOU -2.0 NYY -2.5 KCR -4.0 SEA -5.5

BOS (10H/13A) 7 vs BAL 7 vs NYY 6 vs TOR 3 vs TBR Toronot has... (13H/10A) 6 vs BOS 4 vs NYY 3 vs BAL 3 vs TBR 4 @ LAA 3 @ SEA BAL (11H/12A) 7 vs BOS 4 vs TBR 3 @ TOR 3 @ NYY 3 @ DET 3 vs AZ NYY (13H/11A) 7 vs TBR 7 vs BOS 4 @ TOR 3 vs BAL 3 vs LAD Nobody has an easy shot. Here's the standings now: BOS -- TOR -1.0 (WC) BAL -2.0 (WC) ____________ DET -1.0 from WC HOU -2.0 NYY -2.5 KCR -4.0 SEA -5.5