moonslav59

You did in your previous post.

I am optimistic about last year's picks. I think there are some high ceiling kids that no one is talking about. I'm hopeful on Chatham & Dalbec, maybe Shawaryn. Groome is looking like a good pick, but it's early. I'm not expecting a 12th pick like Groom to be available next year at #24, and even lower picks will be 12 picks lower next year. I'm more hopeful with internationsl picks, but we'll see.

I apologized for call you a clown. That's not the same as saying I agree with you, or that everything you have said is okay.

I'd be fine with Beni 1st and Pedey 2nd, but I think Boegy will have a better OBP than Pedey next year, and he's a better base runner. I also think Pedey will have a higher SLG% than Bogey. I'm not any more worried about Bogey's last two months than Pedey's last few years before 2016. I could see flipping Moreland and Panda (7 & 8) but not ahead of JBJ vs RHPs. I'm becoming a bigger and bigger believer in Panda, I guess- hoping he doesn't burn me.

I found it very enlightening to hear what Theo had to say about his time in Boston, particularly on the mistakes he made as time went by, and then to see how he has applied his learnings to how he constructed the Cubs... with a balanced approach.

You've been bashing me long before today's posts. You've been lumping all of us stating the obvious about our long term outlook looking questionable at best together and confusing who said what. You've acted like a major contingent of this board is anti- Sale trade, when maybe there's one or two somewhat against it within a certain context. You have fanned the flames for weeks. This didn't start today. I apologize for making this personal, but I do think you have been disrespectful more than I, but maybe I'm biased. I know the passions get the better of us sometimes, and I'm sorry for calling you a clown. You seem very knowledgeable but maybe not very tolerant of opposing views. You exaggerate at times, as we all do, and assume that being critical about some aspects of the Sox means we are unhappy or obsessed with negativism. One could say the same of you and others about going on and on bashing Ben. We all pick our own poisons, I guess. Again, I'm sorry for the name-calling.

With Papi retired, does anybody else see the idea of moving Pedey down in the order as a way to lengthen our line-up? Of course, this is assuming Beni can win the lead off slot. Here's my reasoning: 1) Pedey's base running skills are not what they used to be. Only Papi had a worse Sox base running score on fangraphs than Pedey. 2) Bogey seems like the perfect number 2 hitter to me. 3) In small sample sizes Pedey actually has done very well from the 3 slot (.802 in 1226 PAs) and the 4 slot (1.054 in 152 PAs). 4) His 5 slot numbers (.750) aren't much worse than his 1 slot numbers (.770). Assuming Beni is ready to lead off, I like this line-up: 1) Beni 2) Bogey 3) Betts 4) HanRam 5) Pedey 6) JBJ v R/Young v L 7) Pablo v R/JBJ v L 8) Moreland v R/Pablo or Holt v L 9) Leon-Vaz Your thoughts?

Immediately after the Sale trade DD stated that building the farm back up will be an important task. He knows what he has done and my guess is that he has a plan to deal with the fallout. He could trade Buch for a decent low level prospect- maybe, but what could the plan be other than "I hope we can draft better with later picks than we have in the past."? I do think we can add some more prospect depth through international signings once our ban is lifted, but even that area is more restrictive than years past. He has his work cut out for him, but it's not impossible to find some gems in the later picks and rounds. I'm hoping for the best, as I'm sure we all are, but it's not going to be easy. We are going to have to acquire young talent most likely without the help of comp picks, top 10 draft picks, drafting high salary players down in the draft or splurging on international players whenever we feel like it. I'm sorry, if that comes across as negative or looks like an attempt to rain on our 3 year window parade, but it's not intended to be that way. I'm happy with what DD has done. I'm so happy about the Sale deal, that view the totality of DD's moves as a solid plus. I wouldn't give back a single prospect DD has traded away in all his trades, if it meant we had to give back Sale. I'm hoping for two rings in 3 years, but think one is probably more realistic. I'm fine with that too. Those damn Cubbies look pretty tough though. We better beat their asses at some point.

Nice "perception" created.

I hope the perception I'm creating is that others see me as a person at a circus watching a clown.

I meant DD. Thanks for catching my boo boo. I went back and edited.

I can see how my response looked like I supported the post on the Beckett trade, but it was not intended as such. I give credit to Theo for that deal. I don't think they make it, if Theo was against it.

No, clown! That was Kimmi! I love the trade no matter what. I'm happy with the totality of DD;s trades, unlike Kimmi. I'd take back the Pom trade and probably the Kimbrel trades, but they have nothing to do with the Sale trade. I've never said otherwise. I'm happy as s*** with the team we have. There's no vacuum for me. I never said anything related to a vacuum. I hated the Pom trade. It's people like you who keep making me repeat my position, because you got it wrong, then blame me for posting my opinion 100 times.

Many have been negative about the long term future of the team, but not about the three window. Much of the continued postings are in response to continued responses saying or implying things like this: "The future will take care of itself." "What's the use in worrying about the future?" "Nobody knows for sure how these prospects will do, so trading them is near harmless to the future," "The farm will be rrebuilt in three years.:.

No, unfortunately you don't "got it". You repeatedly mistate my position and link me with others that are critical of DD or the Sale trade. I LOVE the Sale trade. How hard is that to understand?

One name is yours. You couldn't be more wrong, and this is the point I've been making all along. Almost everyone here likes or loves the Sale trade, except Kimmi, who might have loved it had we not already traded away so much of the future before that trade. That is the straw man. One person is kind of against the Sale trade, and yet some clown is acting like there's a groundswell of DD haters, Sale haters and Price haters. It's just not true. The Sale deal is the deal I have dreamed of for over 40 years. I LOVE IT!

DD does have control of the Sox present and future, and we are evaluating both aspects of his planning. Would you choose DD to run your retirement portfolio, if he ran it the same way he is running the Sox? The analogy may not be perfect, but the sentiment is what you are missing. You say you don't worry about the future of the Sox, because it's out of your control, but you sure worried about the present of the Sox, when they were losing, even though that was out of your control as well. You also really seem to worry that some of us care about the future of the Sox more than you do. Aren't we "out of your control" as well? Let it go. Enjoy yourself in the here and now. Just stop bashing others who don't think like you. I'm fine with the here and now, but I see it for what it is. It's here and now and not the later.

No, you need to keep lumping all of us Ben supporters into the same category with all the exact same beliefs. For example, I've never once not credited Theo with the Beckett trade or credited or blamed Ben or Larry for anything that happened under Theo's watch, yet you implied I did You're failure to realize that loving a trade but realizing it might have negative consequences later is not contradictory is alarmingly simple-minded.

They need to get some perspective. You mean get your perspective or go Eff ourselves, Gottcha. For some of us, we are quite capable of enjoying the here and now, and yes we get laid often, but can also have a deeper perspective that involves looking at the future and determining what consequences today's actions might have on it. To me, that's "perspective". It's just not yours.

Name names. That's what I'm talking about. Many of us have been critical of the amount of gutting of the farm by DD but love the Sale deal. It's not a contradiction.

You keep pretending all these people hate the Sale trade. Stop beating the straw man to death.

My sentiments exactly. I've softened a little on Kimbrel, but not on Espi. I loved the Sale, Thornburg and Ziegler trades. The Smith trade was good. I disliked the Hill trade. I hated the Kimbrell and Espi trades. Overall, I'm fine with what DD did. I'm also fine with what Ben and Theo did. I love the team we have right now, I just wish we hadn't done the two deals I hated.

You need reading comprehension classes. Where did I ever even relate Ben to Theo, let alone say Theo was Ben's puppet? Ben made some big mistakes, especially the Pablo signing. Theo made some mistakes too (CC signing). Theo used some of Dan D's prospects to build a championship, but he never went overboard in stripping the farm. Dan D has a history of stripping the farm and signing big FAs and leaving the team worse off than when he started. Some cases were not his whole fault. He was forced to firesale the Marlins after their win. He started in Montreal and his team's finished 3rd, 4th and then ended 6th (71-90). He won a ring in Florida, but was under the heavy hand of Huizenga I'm fine with giving him credit for that ring. It's not easy building a championship from an expansion team. He deserves credit where credit is due. However, his record speaks for itself: 6th of 7, 5th of 5, 4th, 3rd, 2nd (Champs), 5th (54-108), 5th, 5th, 3rd and 4th No first place finishes that you seem to value more as much as rings. So, before going to Detroit: 13 seasons with no 1st place finishes and only one 2nd place finish- 1 ring. He joined a Tiger team that had finished 3rd, 3rd and 4th beforehand. They then went: 5th, 5th, 4th, 4th, 2nd (lost WS), 2nd, 5th, 2nd, 3rd. After his first 22 seasons: 0 first place 2 second place 4 third place 4 fourth place 9 fifth or lower place Then after trading away top prospects and signing some big FAs and extensions, the Tigers finished: 1st, 1st, 1st, 1st (They finished 5th the year after he left). No rings, 1 WS trip, 2 ALCS losses, 1 LDS loss Before joining the Sox: After his first 26 seasons as a GM: 1 Ring 4 first place 2 second place 4 third place 4 fourth place 9 fifth or lower place Count the 1st place finish this year and he's got 5 first place finishes out of 27, This is less than Ben's 25% first place finishes. His 1 ring in 27 is way worse than 1 in 4. Yeah, his 9 fifth place finishes out of 27 (33%) is better than Ben's 75% last place finishes, but at least Ben left the team in better shape than when he took over: something DD has never done.

And Ben's prospects were the drivers of DD's deals.

I am too, but you were comparing hypotheticals.