moonslav59

Me too!

Salty had issues with "CERA" related numbers and was not very good at throwing runners out.

Morales might take one year at a higher rate, in hopes that he has a better year and hits paydirt next winter. I wouldn't blame him for looking to security and going long.

Even when their in decline.

We're really locked up solid and long. HanRam does have a vesting option after 2018 based on 1050 PAs from 2017 & 2018 combined and passing a physical.

Good read from soxprospects.com... http://news.soxprospects.com/2016/11/fallwinter-league-roundup-kopech.html podcast.... http://news.soxprospects.com/2016/11/podcast-ep-108-2016-rankings-special.html

Like Beltran, KM is a switch hitter with pretty even splits, although Beltran is more even and consistent from both sides. I'd try to get CB for 1 year, but if we have to go 2, I might prefer KM due to the age thing.

You didn't answer my question. Do you really think Swihart has close to the same trade value Salty had when we traded for him?

He sure did his homework on opposing hitters though. I suppose now they have those new-fangled computer thingies doin that there stuff nowadays.

I think he might get $90M/5 with a $15M option and $5M buyout, so essentially $95M/5 or 105M/6. I hope to hell- not here!

The Sox had a major boner for Salty. I imagine it was the promise of power? But the package sent was flaccid.

I think we'll wait, at least until the deadline, to deal away one of our catchers, but I do think the day is bound to come.

Really? You're going to use one example from history? Come on man; you know Swi's value is higher than Salty's was back then.

I never said increasing his trade value was the number one priority here.

Any love for Fernado Rodney? I'd rather risk Koji.

If we sign Beltran, it might make trading JBJ a little more possible. It might also allow Moncada to switch to LF by 2018 with Beni going to CF. That would free up Devers to win the 3B job by 2018. Getting Beltran, Hill and Melancon would be a coup. We'd be over the luxury limit, but not by a whole lot, and maybe with Hill, we could trade Buch for another RP'er and/or a 3Bman. (Buch, Shaw and Dubon for Frazier & Robertson?)

..and it should build up his trade value, unless he looks awful on defense.

EE may be able to play 1b FT, but I doubt any teams signs him to do it. With Moncada and Devers banging on the door and Travis and Dubon maybe having a longer shot at cracking our line-up in the next year or so, I think, if anything, we go short term at DH. Only Young comes off the books next winter, so we're talking significant prospect blockage coming up. It doesn't make sense signing EE to 4-5 years. Short term options other than Beltran may be Holliday or Morales.

Papi made $16M. Where's the precedent for this amount for a DH, let alone a 34 year old DH for 4 years? This is a big spike- just as Chapman's projection would be.

I suggested maybe trying Moncada at 1B, if he is too slow developing his 3B skills, but I almost got my head taken off.

I'm not saying I want to sign Turner, and the only way I see that working out is if we end up trading Moncada and/or Devers with one of our existing starters for a TOR SP'er (maybe Moncada, Pom, Dubon, Basabe and Johnson for Quintana/Sale and Robertson).

Oh, Swi's far from a sure bet allstar catcher. My point is about how poor the catcher position has become in MLB. Several teams had god-awful numbers with their catchers last year, and no young catchers looking better than Swihart. Some have nobody young & close to his potential. It's those teams that will likely overpay for Swihart (or Leon/Vaz). BTW, did you notice Steamer had Swihart with 6 PAs for 2017?

Believe what you wish my friend, but Swihart has a lot of trade value, even before proving he's healthy. The guy was a top 20 prospect in 3 major ranking services before 2015. He's got 383 PAs scattered over two seasons. I don't think GMs put a lot of stock in that sample size over what their scouts think and what they feel his ceiling is. By the way, this year there were 18 teams with a team catcher wRC+ of 92 or less. This year, 14 teams had a team catcher wRC+ of below 86. There's a great need for catchers in MLB today. The Guardians had a catcher wRC+ of 46. Six other teams were below 70. All it takes is one GM, whod oesn't have the budget for Ramos or Weiters, seeing his catcher position as his highest need area.

MLBTR projects... EE to BOS at $92M/4 (or $23M x 4) Chapman to NYY $90M/5 J Turner to LAD $85M/5 (I'll take 5 from Turner over 4 from EE.) Jansen to Cubs $64M/4 (I'll take Jansen at $74M/4 over EE at $92M/4.) Fowler to STL $64M/4 Hellickson to TX $60M/4 (shows the state of the SP'er market) Melancon to SFG $52M/4 Bautista to TOR $51M/3 Ramos to HOU $50M/4 ' R Hill to NYY $50M/3 Weiters to ATL $39M/3 M Saunders to BAL $33M/3 Napoli to CLE $28M/2 Morales to TOR $26M/2 G Holland to WSH $18M/2 Ziegler to BOS $16M/2 Beltran $14M/1 M Holliday to TEX $10M/1 Uehara didn't make their top 50! I know it's not as simple as this, but if I had the choice and these contracts are legit, I'd spend the $94M/2 EE and $16M/2 Ziegler on... A) Jansen $64M/4 & R Hill $50M/3 Melancon $52M/4, Ziegler $16M/2, Beltran $14M/1, Valbuena $14M/2 & Koji C) $85M/5 Turner & Beltran $14M/1 (maybe we could still afford Ziegler or Koji) Any of these options look better than just EE & Ziegler?

Beltran or a HanRam-Young platoon (HanRam playing 1B vs LHPs)