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I, for one, never felt that way, even with Theo., I'm sure Larry had a big influence, and maybe there wasn't total consensus on every move made, but I've always felt like the GM and owner have had the last word.

That certainly helps a lot, even when you swing a miss a few too many times!

He's actually been bad for a while, being negative fore 3 years before dropping further this year. He hustles and pays attention, but he's slow and runs into more outs than others. He hits into a lot of DPs. Even if you grant that he is a decent base runner, surely you have to believe Beni is much better and Bogey is better. I didn't see these numbers first, then form my opinion. It was actually the other way around. I read somewhere that JBj was one of MLB's better runners, even though he didn't have a ;ot of speed, and it made me think of how I felt Pedey used to be that way, but I I had fely he had gotten worse over the years, so I went to fangraphs to confirm or refute my observations. I trust a 4 year sample size of fangraphs' results as being telling.

You need to give it up. You go nonstop criticizing all the negativity on the long term future and assuming those being critical hate the trades, you've been inventing huge crowds of anti-Sale posters that don't exist, and then say, "That is not bashing you or anyone for that matter." I'm very tolerant of other opinions, and I'm fine with your opinion, but when people tell me I'm not happy or can't be happy with the present because I'm concerned about the future, it seems you're trying to force us to be like you or stop expressing our views. It's pretty common for the team that traded away prospects fans to express concern over the long term impact of the trade. It doesn't mean they hate the trade. It's not whining to express the pros and cons. When the point is made that so many people hate the Sale trade, and I ask for names. I wonder why there is no names given. When I point out I have always said I loved the Sale trade and never used the term in a vacuum, there's no admitting your confusion. Instead, you accuse me of stepping into an argument that has been going on for weeks. Again, I have zero regrets trading op prospects for Sale. I wouldn't be complaining about the deal, even if we included Swihart. You keep confusing my disgust with the Pom & Kimbrel trades and their affect on our long term future with my position on the Sale trade. They are separate deals. And by the way, every poster has the right to respond to a post made, even if it wasn't directed at them. You do it yourself often enough.

You did in your previous post.

I am optimistic about last year's picks. I think there are some high ceiling kids that no one is talking about. I'm hopeful on Chatham & Dalbec, maybe Shawaryn. Groome is looking like a good pick, but it's early. I'm not expecting a 12th pick like Groom to be available next year at #24, and even lower picks will be 12 picks lower next year. I'm more hopeful with internationsl picks, but we'll see.

I apologized for call you a clown. That's not the same as saying I agree with you, or that everything you have said is okay.

I'd be fine with Beni 1st and Pedey 2nd, but I think Boegy will have a better OBP than Pedey next year, and he's a better base runner. I also think Pedey will have a higher SLG% than Bogey. I'm not any more worried about Bogey's last two months than Pedey's last few years before 2016. I could see flipping Moreland and Panda (7 & 8) but not ahead of JBJ vs RHPs. I'm becoming a bigger and bigger believer in Panda, I guess- hoping he doesn't burn me.

I found it very enlightening to hear what Theo had to say about his time in Boston, particularly on the mistakes he made as time went by, and then to see how he has applied his learnings to how he constructed the Cubs... with a balanced approach.

You've been bashing me long before today's posts. You've been lumping all of us stating the obvious about our long term outlook looking questionable at best together and confusing who said what. You've acted like a major contingent of this board is anti- Sale trade, when maybe there's one or two somewhat against it within a certain context. You have fanned the flames for weeks. This didn't start today. I apologize for making this personal, but I do think you have been disrespectful more than I, but maybe I'm biased. I know the passions get the better of us sometimes, and I'm sorry for calling you a clown. You seem very knowledgeable but maybe not very tolerant of opposing views. You exaggerate at times, as we all do, and assume that being critical about some aspects of the Sox means we are unhappy or obsessed with negativism. One could say the same of you and others about going on and on bashing Ben. We all pick our own poisons, I guess. Again, I'm sorry for the name-calling.

With Papi retired, does anybody else see the idea of moving Pedey down in the order as a way to lengthen our line-up? Of course, this is assuming Beni can win the lead off slot. Here's my reasoning: 1) Pedey's base running skills are not what they used to be. Only Papi had a worse Sox base running score on fangraphs than Pedey. 2) Bogey seems like the perfect number 2 hitter to me. 3) In small sample sizes Pedey actually has done very well from the 3 slot (.802 in 1226 PAs) and the 4 slot (1.054 in 152 PAs). 4) His 5 slot numbers (.750) aren't much worse than his 1 slot numbers (.770). Assuming Beni is ready to lead off, I like this line-up: 1) Beni 2) Bogey 3) Betts 4) HanRam 5) Pedey 6) JBJ v R/Young v L 7) Pablo v R/JBJ v L 8) Moreland v R/Pablo or Holt v L 9) Leon-Vaz Your thoughts?

Immediately after the Sale trade DD stated that building the farm back up will be an important task. He knows what he has done and my guess is that he has a plan to deal with the fallout. He could trade Buch for a decent low level prospect- maybe, but what could the plan be other than "I hope we can draft better with later picks than we have in the past."? I do think we can add some more prospect depth through international signings once our ban is lifted, but even that area is more restrictive than years past. He has his work cut out for him, but it's not impossible to find some gems in the later picks and rounds. I'm hoping for the best, as I'm sure we all are, but it's not going to be easy. We are going to have to acquire young talent most likely without the help of comp picks, top 10 draft picks, drafting high salary players down in the draft or splurging on international players whenever we feel like it. I'm sorry, if that comes across as negative or looks like an attempt to rain on our 3 year window parade, but it's not intended to be that way. I'm happy with what DD has done. I'm so happy about the Sale deal, that view the totality of DD's moves as a solid plus. I wouldn't give back a single prospect DD has traded away in all his trades, if it meant we had to give back Sale. I'm hoping for two rings in 3 years, but think one is probably more realistic. I'm fine with that too. Those damn Cubbies look pretty tough though. We better beat their asses at some point.

Nice "perception" created.

I hope the perception I'm creating is that others see me as a person at a circus watching a clown.

I meant DD. Thanks for catching my boo boo. I went back and edited.

I can see how my response looked like I supported the post on the Beckett trade, but it was not intended as such. I give credit to Theo for that deal. I don't think they make it, if Theo was against it.

No, clown! That was Kimmi! I love the trade no matter what. I'm happy with the totality of DD;s trades, unlike Kimmi. I'd take back the Pom trade and probably the Kimbrel trades, but they have nothing to do with the Sale trade. I've never said otherwise. I'm happy as s*** with the team we have. There's no vacuum for me. I never said anything related to a vacuum. I hated the Pom trade. It's people like you who keep making me repeat my position, because you got it wrong, then blame me for posting my opinion 100 times.

Many have been negative about the long term future of the team, but not about the three window. Much of the continued postings are in response to continued responses saying or implying things like this: "The future will take care of itself." "What's the use in worrying about the future?" "Nobody knows for sure how these prospects will do, so trading them is near harmless to the future," "The farm will be rrebuilt in three years.:.

No, unfortunately you don't "got it". You repeatedly mistate my position and link me with others that are critical of DD or the Sale trade. I LOVE the Sale trade. How hard is that to understand?

One name is yours. You couldn't be more wrong, and this is the point I've been making all along. Almost everyone here likes or loves the Sale trade, except Kimmi, who might have loved it had we not already traded away so much of the future before that trade. That is the straw man. One person is kind of against the Sale trade, and yet some clown is acting like there's a groundswell of DD haters, Sale haters and Price haters. It's just not true. The Sale deal is the deal I have dreamed of for over 40 years. I LOVE IT!

DD does have control of the Sox present and future, and we are evaluating both aspects of his planning. Would you choose DD to run your retirement portfolio, if he ran it the same way he is running the Sox? The analogy may not be perfect, but the sentiment is what you are missing. You say you don't worry about the future of the Sox, because it's out of your control, but you sure worried about the present of the Sox, when they were losing, even though that was out of your control as well. You also really seem to worry that some of us care about the future of the Sox more than you do. Aren't we "out of your control" as well? Let it go. Enjoy yourself in the here and now. Just stop bashing others who don't think like you. I'm fine with the here and now, but I see it for what it is. It's here and now and not the later.

No, you need to keep lumping all of us Ben supporters into the same category with all the exact same beliefs. For example, I've never once not credited Theo with the Beckett trade or credited or blamed Ben or Larry for anything that happened under Theo's watch, yet you implied I did You're failure to realize that loving a trade but realizing it might have negative consequences later is not contradictory is alarmingly simple-minded.

They need to get some perspective. You mean get your perspective or go Eff ourselves, Gottcha. For some of us, we are quite capable of enjoying the here and now, and yes we get laid often, but can also have a deeper perspective that involves looking at the future and determining what consequences today's actions might have on it. To me, that's "perspective". It's just not yours.

Name names. That's what I'm talking about. Many of us have been critical of the amount of gutting of the farm by DD but love the Sale deal. It's not a contradiction.

You keep pretending all these people hate the Sale trade. Stop beating the straw man to death.