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So, basically you want us to become the Yankees of old. We're already the top spending team, and you want us to add 3 huge and long term contracts that will create unquestionably, extreme financial and draft/international FA acquisition penalties.
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If we sign JD and need to acquired someone else at some point this season, we will be dangerously close to the top penalty limit of the luxury tax system. If getting $6-8M off the books keeps us under the highest penalty line, then there is more benefits than just comparing how good HRam might be in 2018 vs what we get in return. I'm actually thinking we'll get nothing in return but salary relief and the ability to sign other players without experiencing serious penalties that will affect us far into the future. I do think HRam might have a good year. I have not given up on him. I even think he could have a season significantly better than 2016. However, signing JD to DH would relegate HRam to a platoon role. That would certainly up the reasons for looking to trade him.
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We don't know what DD has lined up or "in the works". He might have teams interested in HRam with various amounts of salary relief attached. He may be waiting for the JD shoe to fall before enacting plan B with a flurry of moves already agreed upon or close to agreement. I do have serious doubt anyone wants HRam, but I think someone might take him, if they just had to pay $6-8M. While that costs us $14-16M for him to play elsewhere, it still saves us money and taxes and takes us off the hook for his vesting option.
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In isolation, if we sign.... JD, we trade/DFA Brentz Nunez, we trade/DFA Marrero Duda, we trade HRam (Brentz?) Arrieta, Cobb or Lynn, we trade Johnson
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I've never been high on Brentz, but a spring training invite is harmless. It's not like keeping Brentz on the roster is keeping someone better off it.
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2018 ESPN Prospects Stuff (Sox Related)
moonslav59 replied to sk7326's topic in Red Sox Minor League Talk
Well, it does seem like some of the top, recent players acquired via trade have not cost as much as Sale, Pom and Kimbrel did. One could possibly imagine we might have gotten more had we waited a couple years. (Note: I loved the Sale trade, and I recognized the need to do something to end out last place trend back then.) -
Not now. If we miss out on JD, and Swihart does not impress this spring, Brentz is the clear choice at 4th OF.
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2018 ESPN Prospects Stuff (Sox Related)
moonslav59 replied to sk7326's topic in Red Sox Minor League Talk
Depends if Henry is willing to go over the second luxury tax limit for consecutive seasons. It's really the third limit that can be crippling, and even then, it would be crippling to seasons beginning near 2023-2024. -
I think we keep all three catchers. I realize getting rid of Leon gets Swihart more "consistent at bats," but I see Swihart's best chance at being impactful is to beat out Brentz and squeeze into a back-up corner IF role by hitting well out of the gate (including ST'ing). Note: If we sign JD, Brentz is "redundant", and Swihart's OF role will be severely diminished. I see Brentz being traded, if we sign JD. The biggest redundancy is at middle IF bench, but with Pedey's season and career in doubt, that's not a bad thing. Wheni t comes to trading one of them, one has to wonder about the return (or lack of one). Marco Holt Marrero (no options) Quiroz Lin (Tobias/ de Jesus/ M Miller)
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I'm not sure keeping Marrero on the 25 or 40 man roster is a high priority, but you're right. Letting Holt or Hernandez start in AAA is not a horrible thing, since it does allow us to keep depth. Note: we do also have Quiroz and Lin, so saying bye-bye to Marrero would be no big loss.
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Alex Wilson will stretch out as a starter in the Tigers’ spring camp, the right-hander tells Chris McCosky of the Detroit News. -MLBTR
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2018 ESPN Prospects Stuff (Sox Related)
moonslav59 replied to sk7326's topic in Red Sox Minor League Talk
If HRam does not vest, we have two years before having to chose between losing a key player of going over the major penalty limit. I'm not writing off 2020 either. (Porcello & Pablo drop off the ledger.) -
When yourself starts talking back, it's time for a vacation or something.
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Being able to play LF and a corner IF position as well as be our 3rd catcher has a lot of value-- assuming he can hit. It's nice to be able to PH for Vaz or Leon and not have to worry about an in-game injury to the back-up. Swihart being able to play LF might make Brentz the odd man out. It also makes trading Holt more palatable. My guess is Marrero starts on the phantom DL, gets traded or DFA'd.
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Is signing Cobb, Nunez and Duda enough to not be considered "standing pat?"
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Yes, I realize Boras might issue an ultimatum, but it would be rare for an agent to tell the Red Sox, (again, assuming we are the top bidder right now) to up their offer of be shut out of any further negotiations. If the BS about wanting more money, because we will force him to DH against his wishes, then that is a choice JD will make- less money to play OF. I just can't see DD thinking a DH should make more money than an OF'er, and he shouldn't. If this is indeed the situation, then I could care less who may end up issuing an ultimatum. Parting ways will not be the end of the world, unless it drags on beyond the point where secondary options are still available. If Boras wants to "move on" to lower offer, go for it. One can only gather, he is following JD's wishes. If JD is so firmly against DH'ing, then I don't want him here anyways. I suspect it's all a ploy to try and get more, and Boras will accept any ultimatum the Sox present, unless someone else has an equal or close offer and an Of opening.
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Perhaps we will add a SP'er instead plus someone like Duda to hedge against HRam.
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Then, he can take his ball and go home. It's his client who would suffer (assuming we have the top bid and nobody will top it going forward).\ Look, I realize there are more professional ways to get the same point across, such as, "We need to have an answer by _____, or we will move on to someone else."
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I doubt he has a better offer in hand, but if he does, then DD has already given his top offer, and it's time to move on. I he "laughs" off his best offer, then he risks doing a great disservice to his client. I would not go any higher. I've been preaching patience for weeks, but we're getting close to the point where secondary options will be flying off the table.
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True enough. I'm willing to take 3 years of a known PED user just to dump his ass.
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He had the Sox 7th best OPS over a 4 year period before the signing, which included his monster year. He just was not as good as many felt he was, and then the whole age and player type argument screamed, "STAY AWAY!" http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=500&type=1&season=2013&month=0&season1=2010&ind=0&team=3&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=9,d
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DD should tell Boras, "My offer is ______, and it will go down $1M everyday starting ______."
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The $22M goes a long way towards justifying Braun's $57M.
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I'd try to make them take HRam as a partial salary offset and then offer them more than just Johnson. HRam, Holt, Hembree, Johnson and Brentz for Braun, Suter & Webb.
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It might take Vaz, Chavis and Mata.
