moonslav59
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They can spend mega bucks and still be way below the max tax line or even the second higher penalty line.
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9/14 New York Mess
moonslav59 replied to Station 13's topic in Mike Grace Memorial Game Thread Forum
Also, PAs against in the last 28 days: 51 Workman 40 Brasier It seems he's going soft with Brasier. -
The Dodgers and Yankees were resetting their luxury tax budget. Those two team are historically 2 of the top 3 spenders in MLB. The Sox, the other team, were straddling the max line and had limited funds. Other top spending teams had similar situations. Much of that changes next year. Just watch the spending this winter.
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No games will be truly "meaningful," except to players on the bubble, players coming back from injury (Sale & barnes) or maybe JD seeking the triple crown.
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There are too many teams who just reset their luxury tax. I know the yanks and Dodgers already have expensive closers under multiple year contracts, but somebody is going to pay Kimbrel for 4-5 or more years and top dollar per season for a closer. maybe the Cubs, Nats or Cards? Guardians, Braves, Giants or Phillies?
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It's my belief he'd be near 200 by the end of the season had we been 1 GB the WC all summer. He led the league in IP last year and had more the year before. I agree, he has seasonal performance longevity issues as his performance level has dropped just about every season of his career come Aug/Sep. I wouldn't be surprised, if we let him walk, but I'd have rather taken a big money risk on Sale than Price. The problem is, we can't take back the Price signing, so the choice might already have been made. It will be damn hard replacing Sale with the $13.5M he'll get his last year with us (2019).
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By Ross, I assume you mean Robby Scott. Yes, Thornburg took a step back. Scott was already a long shot. His step back might be his last step. Barnes is battling a hip injury, so he's an unknown. I think Johnson took a step forward not sideways, but he was behind to begin with, so he gets more auditions to come with still a chance to win a slot. My rankings after tonight (assuming 4 starters are Sale, Price & ERod/Porcello): Lock (2-3): Kimbrel, Brasier and Barnes (if healthy) Has to take steps back to not make it (2): Wright & Eovaldi Bubble (2-3): Hembree, Workman & Poyner Need steps forward to have a chance (3): Thornburg, Johnson, Velazquez Maybe one back step away from being locked out (2): Kelly & Pom Virtually no chance (2): Scott & Cuevas
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While true, there are more choices than spending big on either a SP'er or a closer. I may be wrong about Kimbrel getting the biggest/longest RP'er contract of all time, but even if I'm wrong, he's going to be grossly overpaid. I'm fine with overpays. They are needed some times, but not for a RP'er. He's certainly going to get 4 years, if I'm wrong about 5. At near $19-20 M per- I pass. We need to find better ways to get some pitching without spending top dollar (Price) or trading the entire farm away to obtain a starter (Sale) and closer (Kimbrel). I know, i know, easier said than done, and IMO a lot depends on winning a ring or not this year. I'd love to see us win this year and immediately change our spending choices and farm building priorities.
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It is remarkable... fWAR 9.2 Betts 8.9 Trout 7.9 Ramirez 7.5 Bregman 7.2 Lindor 6.5 Chapman 5.8 Machado 5.5 L Cain 5.5 Yelich 5.2 JD, Arenado, Goldschmidt, Carpenter 5.1 Baez 4.9 Lowrie 4.8 Bogey We have 3 in the top 16. We also have 4 of the top 46 pitchers by fWAR 3. Sale 6.1 24. Price 3.2 37. Porcello 2.6 46. ERod 2.4
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I am, for sure.
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Why the "but?" I'm not for spending big on a closer. No "cautionary tale" needed with me. It's not just relief pitchers, but most big signings fail or are a disaster. With the fickleness found with almost all RP'ers, even more reason to pass on Kimbrel.
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You're probably right, but I've always liked Sale and wanted him on the Sox. After all, we're talking about... Chris Freakin' Sale!
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Agreed. I'd love to have Kimbrel back, but no way I offer even $85M/5, let alone the $95M/5 I think he gets. Would I offer $57 to 60M/3? Close call, but probably no. It's too much for any closer.
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I'm never one to think just because someone is doing great (Embree & Timlin) it is highly likely they will continue to do so. I'm not saying Grady's choice was 1005 correct, but I think there was plenty of reasons to defend his choice (in foresight). Had Pedro struck out the next 2 guys, we'd have praised Grady for sticking with the guy who got us there. Note: although Pedro's numbers did drop off after 100 pitches, his OPS after 100 for 2003 was still a very respectable .706. I've seen posters on the game threads say "F___ You, Cora!" for pulling a starter who had gone 7 IP 6 Hits, 2 ER and 1 BB. Pedro was a God. His playoff heroics were many. I don't hold a grudge for that choice. (BTW, Timlin did come in and walk the first 2 guys he faced.) I can understand the anger and outrage and the need to blame someone.
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The guys I cited aren't even close to the same class as Kimbrel- all but Davis weren't even closers.. Davis had been hurt and had a 3 year history of greatness. If Davis gets $53M/3, Kimbrel gets $95M/5. Book it.
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Yes, but the point was about 2018.
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I don't see "acrobatic." at all.
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I said at the time, and still believe it today, I'll take a Pedro at 50% over any relief pitcher we had ready. It's not like the opponents were lighting Pedro up. Most of the hits were bloopers or seeing eye grounders until the 3 hard hits in a row..
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At least we can offer him a QO and reap the meager benefit.
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I certainly would not trade JD for 3 from that list!
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Bogey has certainly "come of age" this year. I'd like to have seen some growth on defense over the years, but his offense is doing the talking right now.
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Or, MAYBE 4th or 5th best. Lindor Macahdo Simmons Maybe Biaz, Gregorius or Story.
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Name a top RP'er who got peanuts. This past winter.... $52M/3 Wade Davis $21M/2 B Morrow $27M/3 Jake McGee $27M/3 Brian Shaw Last year... $86M/5 Chapman $80M/5 K Jansen
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RP'er contracts went way up. Great closers are signed, usually by the team they already are on, unless the team is a cheapy one..
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I don't disagree. Mark my words, Kimbrel will get more than $95M/5, even if he is not great in the playoffs this fall.
