moonslav59

If it's near the $11M/1 offer MLBTR suggested, it's too much. $18M/2 is too much, as well.

Yes, the 3 year sample works better for you, but why not 2 or 4 or 5 years? We both cherry-picked, but teh fact is Price has proven he has value- certainly not anything near $32M value, but he has enough value that SD would want him, if the money part was balanced out. bWAR in reverse 2019>2018...: Price: 1.8, 4.4, 1.6, 3.0, 2.6, 3.6 Paxton: 2.2, 2.9, 3.6, 1.1, 0.7, 1.3 Last 3 years: Price 7.8 Paxton 8.7 4 rs Price 10.8 Paxton 9.8

My point was about value. Paxton, who you gushed over has done about the same as Price, who you act like Price is valueless. You claim he has to do something positive to be tradable. He's been Paxton for 2 years. I'm fully aware of the contract disparity, but I also know how much Myers is owed. He's owed $61M over the next 3 years. That's 2/3 of what Price makes and all that SD cares about- that and gaining a 2-3 WAR SP'er for about $10M a year. From our perspective, the luxury tax savings would be way more than $10-11M a year x 3. Myers's luxury tax hit is just $13.8M/yr. That means nothing to SD but a hell of a lot to us. We'd save over $17M a year on the lux tax. It's not unreasonable to think SD would pay Price $36M/3 (the difference between him and Myers) and we'd take Myers to fill our 1B hole while saving $17M x 3 years on the tax budget. It's a match made in heaven. (BTW, I also suggested we could kick in a little cash and still make out.)

Funny how you expect your farm to stay good as you win and spend, but you talk about how it's nearly impossible for us to do so.

It's us who needs to do the walking. He's past 30, now, and we can't afford $10M+ for our 5th starter. Even if we dump Price or Eovaldi, we should spend the money more wisely and spread it out more. We have too many holes to fill to spend that much on anyone.

It's not like we don't see the downside of Price. He's been showing something positive, too. 2017 was the only year, he gave us basically nothing He's pitched 283 innings in the past 2 years at a 6.2 bWAR and 4.7 fWAR. While the IP'd are not great, they still have provided value, and I'm not even counting the 2018 playoff performances. (He's over 307 IP counting the playoffs.) Your guy, James Paxton has about 310 IP the last 2 years combined at a 5.1 bWAR and 7.2 fWAR, and had a worse IP record, other than 2017, than Price beforehand. (Even 2017, Price gave us a 1.5 or 1.6 WAR.) Taking on Myers's contract would offset enough of Price's deal to make it worth it for SD, despite what you think. Myers gives them very little. He's avergaed a 1.0 WAR the last 3 years. This type of deal makes sense to both sides.

It will be hard to keep your farm this good. It's already started declining as players are called up. Winning brings worse draft picks. Spending large limits IFA signings. Yes, it helps to have some good prospects already in the system to infuse some low cost help in the next 2-4 years, but the well will eventually run dry, and my guess is, when it looks like you have a great chance at winning a ring, you'll make a couple trades of prospects for that one or tow pieces you feel you need to put you over the top. It's a pattern that just keeps repeating itself, despite the cliffs they cause.

So, let's hope the Cole signing starts the whole process over again.

Just say "NO!"

I can't see any scenario where bringing Porcello back makes any sense.

That's a movement that should be avoided. Movement for the sake of movement is not a good thing.

It's all based on Jacko's idea that all Sox pitchers are doomed to a zero or below WAR in 2020. If Price was a Yankee, he would not want to trade Price for Myers.

MLBTR... Red Sox ace Chris Sale finished the 2019 season on the injured list with inflammation in his throwing elbow. However, there’s “no doubt” he’ll be ready for spring training, he told reporters (including Adam Fisher of the Fort Myers News-Press). Sale was cleared to begin throwing last week, and he offered a few details on his offseason program yesterday. Currently, Sale is throwing three times a week, he said, and he plans to up his workload soon before moving to long-toss and, eventually, mound work. Sale’s peripherals were dominant again last season, but his 147.1 innings of 4.40 ERA ball no doubt made for some disappointing results. The Sox will be hoping for more typical bottom line numbers from the star southpaw in 2020.

Maybe it belongs on the "Bloom Move Your Ass" thread.

Brewers sign Keon Broxton to a minor league deal. I know there are more like him out there, but a minor league deal seems like one got away.

We saw it in 2012 and won a ring the next season.

That's what I was getting at, and with a 26 man roster, it's a safe bet we stay with an extra pitcher all year long. That makes the "opener idea" more I could be wrong, but I think last year was the first time we kept 13 pitchers on the 25 man roster every game or nearly every game. Anybody know, if this is true?

Taking back Myers is "eating an exorbitant amount of money." We could even pay more towards it or add someone like Chavis or Walden. I think you are right on the Kopech deal, but you may be selling Chavis & Duran short. The Choo idea was to help balance the money Texas would be taking on with Eovaldi or Price with the idea that we'd trade Martinez, so he could DH. Yes, we likely don't get Kopech for JD, but we could get something and now be way under the tax line. This would allow Bloom to do his magic finding under-the-radar gems. Right now, he has no wiggle room to sign even the lowest paid free agents or to trade for anyone making even $1M over min wage.

Like JBJ for a cheap SP'er. Like maybe Chavis for one. Maybe JBJ & Chavis for a better one. We still need a 1Bman, too and 2B is not looking too good either. Trading JBJ opens a hole in an already short depth OF. If trading JBJ gets us just slightly under the lux tax, and our goal is to stay under, Bloom is going to have to work wonders to fill all these holes without upping the spending or trading away from our already weak farm. That's one reason I think we trade Price or Eovaldi. We'd create budget space to help us fill the 4-5 major holes we have right now: 5th SP'er (plus 4th if we trade Eovladi or Price)- in house options are just not there. CF - I doubt Duran is really ML caliber. 1B - Dalbec/Chavis/Travis could work out. 2B- Chavis/Lin/Chatham/Marco could be adequate, at best. RP- We may just go with what we have- again. C- Hard to imagine we stay in house here.

Cole will certainly make you an instant top contender. I'm just hoping for the biggest and longest deal in history, so you guys will be firmly in the boat we were in 4 years ago with a certain cliff on the horizon after this window closes. I do not think the Sox have a better chance at winning a ring in the next 2-3 years, assuming you guys sign an ace, but I would not bet against us in the next decade.

Please don't say "nobody believed me." There were plenty of us who knew we were going for broke and would have to pay later. Plenty.

I certainly agree he looks more like a RP'er at this point in his career, but I wouldn't count him out as a starter option. We may also try to use him as a 2-3 IP starter and long man, where he basically just goes once through a line-up. What about Houck?

It looked that way, yesterday, but maybe LSU is just a juggernaut. Would you put Oregon, Florida, Wisconsin or anyone else ahead of them in the final poll? I will admit the 5-10 teams are pretty bunched up.

I think any trade we make will be based on making the team better, except for maybe the one or two we make to get under the tax line, assuming we go that route. Trading JBJ will likely not make us "better now," but he just has one year of team control, so it seems he will be the guy dealt to put us barely under the luxury tax line. Any further moves will require a delicate balance of money, if we indeed try to stay under all year. I get the reasons why we want to stay competitive, or at least appear competitive to fans and viewers, and I'd very much like us to stay competitive or semi-competitive every year, but I fear trying to stay marginally competitive my hamper efforts or extend the time period it takes for us to become highly competitive. In my opinion, trying to get to highly competitive as quickly as possible without harming the extended future is a worthy goal. The whole budget- luxury tax issue is what mucks up mostly short but also long term plans, and us fans not really knowing how firm the commitment is to reset makes it hard for us to suggest or discuss reasonable or possible moves we can make to improve the team now and or for 2021 and beyond. I seriously doubt we trade both Betts and JD, except maybe at the deadline, if we are out of it. Trading even one seems like a less than 50-50 idea, again unless it's at the deadline. More likely, we trade JBJ, stay near the line and make the big choice in July.

Damn Ohio State! Here's how I project the final rankings: 1. Ohio State 2. LSU 3. Clemson 4. Oklahoma 5. Georgia 6. Oregon 7. Florida 8. Wisconsin 9. Baylor 10. Penn St. 11. Utah 12. Auburn 13. Alabama 14. Memphis 15. Michigan 16. Notre Dame 17. Boise State 18. Iowa 19. Minnesota 20. Appalachian State