moonslav59
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Morton was the same age as Price and had started 55 games in his previous 2 seasons with an ERA+ of 113 and 133. He got less money and less years than $16M x 3. Happ re-signed with the Yanks in 2018 after starting 56 games in his previous 2 years and 88 in his previous 3 years. His ERA+ was 163, 143 and 193 those 3 years. He was 35 when he signed- a little older than Price was when traded. Price started 52 games in the 2 years before being traded. He started 63 in his previous 3 seasons. His ERA+ was 76, 177, 128. He was 34 when traded. I'm not getting all the Price love after he was almost constantly bashed his whole time here, except for the last 2 rounds of the 2018 playoffs. Previous 3 year totals: Price: 122 ERA+, 63 GS/358 IP Happ: 125 ERA+, 88 GS/518 IP Morton: 121 ERA+, 59 GS/331 IP (was injured 3 years before signing.) -- 2 yrs 123 ERA+ 55 GS/314 IP Sure, some injury prone pitchers have gotten wild deals that seem unfathomable, and maybe some GM would take a chance like that, but I'd take the Morton and Happ deals over a 3 year deal for Price.
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That's what I think. Bloom insisted on LA taking Price, just like we insisted the Dodgers take Crawford to get AG. Had we not included Price, we might have gotten Verdugo and Strippling or Gonsolin. It appears we could have gotten Maeda but chose not to.
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Maybe someday, one GM will talk in detail about the working of the deal. I could be wrong. I have been before, but I just don't see that kind of value in Price at his age and with his injury history. Maybe $16M x 1 or $28M x 2 would be the highest I think anyone would go, but $16M x 3? Most fibers in my being think no.
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Nobody wanted Price at $32M x 3. I doubt anyone would have signed him for $16M x 3, last winter, so why would anyone trade for him?
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I think he makes the opening day roster, because we have like 7 gaping holes in a 13 man staff. That being said, I don't think 2 game sample sizes decide much in MLB.
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They both are unreliable. I'm not sure what your point is.
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That's highly debatable. I'm not saying the Price part of the deal could be viewed as a push or a plus for LA, but I don't think they wanted him, even at half "price."
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You know they asked for Price or think they did? It was my impression the Sox insisted on them talking Price and the negotiations were mostly about how much money we had to give them. (The Maeda for Graterol deal was made after the initial deal fell through, so it's hard to argue they had that deal planned, knowing they were getting Price.)
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Would you have said this 10 days ago? Does such a small sample size really decide issues like this, definitively?
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Do you think LA asked for Price and $16M per year? If no, wouldn't you expect something in return, even if minor?
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Slightly more, yes. Maybe Verdugo/Downs and Graterol/Maeda
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I'm not saying this site has the best value numbers, but who on this list do you think is "over-valued?" Mine are in red. 83.9 Devers 62.3 Verdugo 33.7 Bogaerts 26.4 Downs 22.2 Casas 19.7 Dalbec 17.6 Chavis 14.4 Vazquez 12.4 Mata 12.1 Duran 10.5 D Hern 9.0 ERod (due to injury) 8.5 Jimenez 8.5 Taylor 6.0 Lugo 5.6 Perez 4.9 Chatham 4.8 Pivetta 4.5 Potts 3.8 Song 3.6 Beni 3.0 Murphy
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My whole point is based on finding a way to get someone more reliable by adding others to the trade. I'm not expecting an ace- just durability.
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I wanted us to get Maeda with Verdugo, but I think Bloom wanted prospects.
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"Nutty" might mean more quantity (like smaller 1-2 year deals) than quality. This could be our opening day 26 man roster: SP1________ SP2 Perez SP3 Eovaldi SP4 ERod SP5 _____ SP6 Pivetta/Seabold RP1 ______ RP2 ______ RP3 Barnes RP4 D Hern RP5 Taylor RP6 Valdez RP7 Brasier C Vazquez, Plawecki 1B ______, Chavis 2B ______, Arroyo/ Munoz 3B Devers SS Bogey LF Beni CF ____, Lin RF Verdugo DH JD That's signing just 3 everyday players to bridge to 2022. BTW, I think Dalbec & Houck make the opening day roster,but I can see one or both being given some time in AAA.
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I get your point, but Bloom is not getting good production from some of the big contracts on this team, and with the limited budget he was given, this year, he has made deals like a small market would do. The real test will come if and when Henry opens the wallet. Let's see what he does, then. Hopefully, he will make the types of additions he made in TB, but will be able to afford to do more of them and maaybe get better ones by offering them a little more than he could do with the Rays. I doubt he sticks to a small market approach, but some sort of middle ground might work best.
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Not many, but the trades gave us upgrades at other positions and/or saved us some money that could be used to improve a FA pitcher signing to a higher quality. I will say, I'd rather have almost any of these pitchers over Eovaldi, except maybe Zimmerman and Syndergaard (I did not realize he had just 1 year left.)
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He minimized the return for Betts by including Price (IMO).
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There's better than him out there.
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None of these suggestions are for "top pitchers," except maybe Syndergaard (but taking Familai's deal is a major salary offset) and some are for prospect pitchers: These teams have the lowest catcher WAR 2019-2020 combined: (Vaz, Chavis & Eovaldi are valued at 13.1- here is close to equal value) -3.9 TEX (Odor -26, LeClerc 16.8, Taveras 12.6 & Hernandez C-1B minors) -3.5 DET (Zimmerman -4.5, Boyd 5.7 & Goodrum 12.0)) -2.6 COL (Blackmon -11.6, Freeland 16.8 & Amador 2B minors 7.6) 0.4 LAA (Upton -47, Canning 17.8 & Marsh OF minors 36.0) 0.7 NYM (Syndergaard, Familia & Greene OF minors) 0.9 STL (Fowler -19.8, Gallegos 26 & Reyes 5.3) 1.3 WSH (Castro -2.2, Rainey 10.7 or Suero 9.9 & de la Rosa OF minors 2.6) 1.8 TBR (Kiermaier -6.5 & Baz +19.5)
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I think a lot of teams would want Vaz. If we find some sort of salary offset, like the ones I mentioned a while back that is added to the return to us, maybe something can be found. I'm not saying it's a cinch. Carrasco is not reliable, so I would not trade Vaz & Eovaldi for him.
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I doubt we trade Eovaldi, and I don't think it will be easy to find takers, even by sweetening the pot with Vaz and.or Chavis, but many teams need a catcher badly. We might see the downgrade from Vaz to Plawecki, Grullon & Wong as worth the upgrade at SP'er. I'm not thinking we'll get a top SP'er. My position was we might get a more reliable and better pitcher-maybe one that costs as much as Eovaldi + Vaz.
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I never said a top starter. I said one better than Eovaldi by the value added from Vaz and or Chavis. That's likely not a "top starter." A trade I remember: Giants Trade Joe Nathan, Francisco Liriano & Boof Bonser for A.J. Pierzynski Also, Buckner for Eckersley, Dan Haren for Carlos Gonzalez, Sutcliffe for Joe Carter., Ferggie Jenkins for Bill Madlock, Kevin Brown for D Lee +, Nolan Ryan for Jim Fergosi, Steve Carlton for Rick Wise.
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I'm not sure JBJ is a great defender, anymore, and at $6.5M x 2, I think we can get better D for cheaper.
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It's probably rarer to see a catcher like Vaz traded. They are hard to find. While Chavis is not a prospect, including him in a deal may have the same affect.
