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What if we threw some prospects into the deal plus Workman (FA after 2020)? Betts, Eovaldi, Workman, Chavis, Duran for Myers, Grisham, Naylor, Patino, Morejon & Weathers (The simulator accepted this.)

The real question is about Patino.

No. They are not Bloom acquisitions. If this happened, it would be a partial vindication on DD's rep. (Are any of these guys Ben dudes?) I think Duran was over-hyped and helped by an unsustainably high BAbip, last year. I really like Ward & Mata. Casas is the rave, but he's far away. Groome has to prove himself, soon. Dalbec has immediate hopes. I like him more than Chavis, but there are things he needs to work on. Jimenez is kind of unknown but has serious upside. I've said it before. I think DD did better than I expected with the picks and restrictions we had on us over his term, but I expected us to be 28th to 30th ranked, so doing slightly better than that is not what we needed. I don't blame DD for his picks, but his trades really hurt the farm. (I'm glad we won a ring and made it all worth it, but it's payback time, now.)

Do we have another, better (and ML ready) catcher in the system?

Several posters claimed, during the impending cliff debates, that somehow our farm would be rebuilt quickly and strongly. Even recently, I can't remember who, someone was gushing over our talent evaluators and claiming we'd be a top farm team soon.

Yes, it's $13.833 x 3 years. That's what makes trading for him enticing. The Padres save some money, and we avoid taxes. We also need a 1Bman and 4th OF'er. The rest of the package is the issue.

The Dodgers need to get over the hump and finally win it all. This looks like the year with the best chance as the Sox and Astros have declined. The Padres are not at a "win now" place. They need more than Betts for that.

Ockimey has great splits vs LHPs, despite the high K rate, but it's hard to know if that would carry over to the bigs. Best odds at breaking camp with the big team? Marco Johnson Poyner Houck Ockimey In that order. We'd have to DFA someone or 60 day IL a player to add one (back) to the 40 man.

It seems very strange the Padres would seek a one year star like Betts. I can see why they'd trade Myers for him, but they are acting like Betts is a salary dump like Myers is. Maybe, they think Betts will like SoCal so much, he'll re-sign with them. If they took Eovaldi with Betts, it would balance the money better than just handing us $20-25M. I still think the Dodgers are the best match.

I'd even add Duran and/or Workman to upgrade to Gore or Patino, but since Myers is paid for 3 years, they should take Eovaldi or Price..

I'm with you, Bell.

Eovaldi was paid with the checkbook. Pearce with pocket change.

Catching prospects are the hardest to project. I'd insist they take Price or Eovaldi with Betts and lower the return.

"The main stumbling block in trade talks is how much of Myers’ contract the Red Sox would be covering,*Kevin Acee of the San Diego Union-Tribune*reports, as the Padres want Boston’s obligation “to be much closer to the full value of the contract.”* The prospects reportedly being discussed in the trade aren’t any of San Diego’s “top five minor leaguers,” which would mean the likes of Gore or Patino aren’t involved." According to the trade simulator, Betts for Myers with SD paying half of his deal would put the values at +50.7 to SD and -25.3 to BOS. Differential 76.0. If we get no top 5 prospects: 121.5 Tatis Jr 82.4 Gore 51.8 Abrams 50.2 Patino 32.1 Trammell That leaves this: ML Level: Paddack 79.1 P Lucchesi 38.3 P Lamet 25.4 P Mejia 22.2 C Pham 20.7 OF Grisham 18.8 OF Naylor 18.5 OF/1B Yates 16.0 Closer (last year) Munoz 9.8 P Cordero 9.6 OF Quantrill 8.8 P Baez 8.0 P Wingenter 7.7 P Strahm 7.5 P Margot 6.6 OF France 5.8 3B Prospects: Campusano 25.1 C Morejon 13.7 P Potts 11.9 3B (1B?) Arias 11.3 SS (2B?) Weathers 11.0 P Rosario 10.8 OF Miller 8.0 3B Marcano 7.2 2B To reach 76, I suppose this package meets the value set by this site: Campusano 25.1 C Morejon 13.7 P Potts 11.9 3B (1B?) Arias 11.3 SS (2B?) Weathers 11.0 P Maybe we get a ML'er or two + 3-4 prospects. I don't see any combo that works for me. (Plus, we pay Myers for 3 years. Betts is done after 2020.)

This is absurd. Betts for Myers and no good prospects wouldn't be a good deal, even if SD paid all Myers's contract!

Then, Patino, Campusano plus....

I can't see it, either.

Here's one the trade simulator accepted: Betts & Eovaldi for Myers, Margot, Patino & Campusano If there is no Price or Eovaldi attached, maybe adding JBJ might work, although OF is not a SD need once they get Betts. Betts & JBJ (+$4M) for Myers, Margot, Gore & Campusano or Betts for Myers, Gore, Campusano & Rosario (Not saying I like these deals.)

Too late to go "all in" for 2020. Even if we signed the best 3 or 4 remaining FAs, we'll still look worse on paper than 2019.

It's got to include Price or Eovaldi. I've suggested such trades on the trade simulator- like this one: Betts & Price for Myers, Margot, Quantrill, Campusano & Morejon

Good points. Maybe someday I will get some optimism about 2020. I've never felt or said we have no chance at competing. We have too many really good to great players to think we have no chance, but to me, we need too much to go right for the chances to be realistic. (I'm one who do not agree with the position that 2013 was a year of career outliers. However, I pretty much wrote us off before the 2013 season began.) Here's a break down of the 2020 Sox: Vaz: This guy has been so up and down, it's hard to project anything. .735 and .798 in 2017 & 2019 but .585 and .540 in 2016 & 2018. Should we expect .690, his career OPS? He's only been within 100 points of.690 once his whole career. What concerns me most about Vaz is his defense and how poorly he seems to do with getting the most out of our pitchers. Plawecki: Apparently, he's good with pitchers, but the .636 career OPS (.629 in 2019) doesn't look much different than Leon. Chavis (1B): I guess I just don't share the optimism on this guy. While his .766 rookie season looks very nice, it was largely fueled by a red hot start. Once pitchers figured him out, he struggled mightily. (.986 in first 22 games/ .696 in last 73 games) Peraza (2B): It's hard to get optimistic with a guy who hit .631 last year and has a .686 career. Chavis at 2B might give better offense, but who plays 1B? Dalbec? Bogaerts (SS): Coming off a career year. I'm pumped up on Bogey. Devers (3B): Came into his own in 2019. Super excited here! Benintendi (LF): Not as extreme as Vaz, but has been up and down over his 4 seasons- almost to a perfect relationship: .835>.776>.830>.774. I'm hopeful Beni can have a bust out season, but another .775 type season is certainly possible. JBJ (CF): His recent career has been inspected and dissected to an extreme. He has been plagued by horrific slumps to start off his last 3 seasons. He's done well the rest of the seasons, and his defense is still strong. Betts (RF): I'm hoping he retires in a Sox uniform. It's his "walk year," so maybe he will outshine 2018's numbers. Maybe. Martinez (DH): This guy has been a light out hitter for several years in a row. All-in-all, our offense should be top 4 or 5, barring any trades. The pitching is almost impossible to project. ERod, Workman, Walden & Taylor had career years in 2019. Will they repeat, improve or decline? Only ERod seems like a near sure bet. Price, Sale & Eovaldi are the keys to winning (or losing) in 2020. Nobody knows how healthy they will be, and even if they are all never miss a start, how good they will be is somewhat questionable. Barnes and Hembree failed to impress in 2019 but offer some hope. DHern had an off the charts K rate (16.9), but his BB rate was eye-opening as well (7.7). I'm hopeful he improves, but who knows? Perez replacing Porcello is not too exciting. All-in-all, the pitching staff is highly questionable, at best.

I guess I'm not in such a small minority.

He paid cash for Perez & Peraza. The checkbook is locked away.

Crime is everywhere, but only those who get caught pay the price.

Oh, I get that JD & JBJ have very limited trade value, but something is better than nothing. If nothing is all that is offered, I might still do it to save money. (True, no money will be "saved" for 2021, unless JD opts in, but money saved now by Henry could be used to pay taxes later.) Workman could get us something nice. He could also be packaged with JD, JBJ, Price or Eovaldi to lessen the financial additions we'd likely have to make to dump the last 2. How about Eovaldi, JD, JBJ & Workman to TX for Odor, Frazier & Hernandez (C prospect)? I'm not sure the Rangers want to spend this much, but you get the theory, assuming Betts is traded as well..