moonslav59

Yes, the manager's loss of faith.

I assumed, yes. Betts alone for Pollock, Gonsolin & Stripling came out as +50 for LAD and -0.50 for the Sox.

The trade simulator indicates we might have to pitch in $5M to make this deal even. Price + $5M & Betts for Pollock, Gonsolin & Stripling. I'd prefer to take Joe Kelly and maybe Cartaya or Busch & Wong, instead of giving $5M.

So, 8 years to Manny and Pedey (not big money to Pedey, though) plus 7 years to Price and Crawford (no ring for CC) don't count?

My bad. I just assumed...

No Seager or Pederson in return. We'd need players that might help for 4-5 years- at a low cost. If we take salary back to lessen the Price salary hit to the Dodgers, then Pollock is the man.

Sarcasm?

I tend to agree, but if I think we take some salary back- hopefully not Pederson, maybe Urias or Ruiz could come back. Pollock- owed $51M/3 but just $12M on Lux Tax line. Kelly- owed $16.7M/2 ($8.33M for each of the next 2 seasons). That allows for a better return but still without one of their best prospects. While the trade simulator is far from perfect, it might offer some ballpark options on what the Sox could expect in return for Betts (+50) & Price (-55.3) for Pollock (-39.3) & ________. If you add Joe Kelly (-12.7)to soften the financial blow to LA by a little more, the remaining differential is such: Pollock without Kelly: 34.0 Pollock with Kelly: 46.7 Here are some players that, in theory, could be mixed and matched to come close to those numbers: (These guys are too highly rated: Lux 85.1, May 61.4, Seager 57.4 & probably Verdugo 50.1.) 44.7 Ruiz C 29.1 Urias SP- majors 21.9 Downs 2B 19.9 Gonsolin P 18.3 Gray P 12.2 Maeda SP-majors 10.3 Cartaya C 7.6 Busch 2B 5.4 Vargas 1B/3B 4.7 Santana 1B/3B 4.5 Estevez 2B 4.5 Rios 1B 4.3 Wong C 3.3 Beaty 1B/OF majors (nice platoon with Chavis at 1B?) I admit, I don't know jack about Dodger prospects, but in terms of what we need, I'm thinking something like this looks best, in theory: Just Pollock (34 total in return): 19.9 Gonsolin P 7.6 Busch 2B 4.3 Wong C 3.3 Beaty 1B Pollock & Kelly (46.7) 21.9 Downs 19.9 Gonsolin 4.3 Wong or 19.9 Gonsolin P 12.2 Maeda P 10.3 Cartaya C 3.3 Beaty 1B These deals assume no money added to the deal. If we add money, we can sweeten the return. Add about $10M and maybe... 21.9 Downs 2B 19.9 Gonsolin P 10.3 Cartaya C 3.3 Beaty 1B/OF majors

Does trading him differ much from losing him to free agency and getting just a measly comp pick for him? I'm a huge Betts fan. I'm on record suggesting we pay him around $350M/10. Not many here agree with me on this, but losing him for nothing would hurt more than trading him for something. Plus, trading him would help us reset and better position us to make a bold offer to him after the 2020 season is over. If we can trade JBJ and Price to get under the line and extend Betts, I'd prefer that, but I'm wondering how possible that is, right now.

You never know. Some teams that can't afford to pay Betts $27M for 6 months but find themselves in the playoff hunt in July, might be able to muster up $9M for 2 months of Betts and a post season scenario. Price and Eovaldi's value could rise or fall greatly based on their first 3-4 months of 2020. I'd try to trade one before ST'ing.

It was more Sale & Price love: Sale ERA with these catchers (300+ ABs) 2.51 Pierzynski 2.79 Leon 2.98 Navarro 3.02 Flowers 3.36 Phegley 4.61 Vazquez Price: (600+ ABs) 2.85 Molina 2.96 Leon 3.06 Jaso 3.61 Shoppach 4.27 Vaz Maybe Porcello, to a lesser extent (300+ PAs) 4.17 Avila 4.19 Leon 4.32 Laird 4.93 Swihart 4.96 Vaz 5.38 Holaday

Another Yankee caught cheating with PEDs. https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/01/domingo-german-reportedly-facing-significant-suspension.html

Would the Dodger take Betts & Price for May or Urias- straight up? The simulator says we'd need to give this much cash to even up these single player return deals: $56M for May $45M Verdugo $39M Ruiz $24M Urias $16M Downs $14M Gonsolin $13M Gray $5M Cartaya $2M Busch $1 Vargas $0M Santana, Estevez, Rios or Wong.

If we get the Dodgers to take Price, I'd not demand Lux. If we take back Pollock to offset some of Price's cost, I still wouldn't demand Lux. If we offer Betts + Price for Pollock, I doubt we can even get May. The simulator shows we'd have to give Chavis or Dalbec to even it up. More likely, maybe this: Betts + Price for Pollock, Urias & Busch or Pollock, Gonsolin & Gray

Maybe even with checker, included!

Do they sell chess sets at Dollar General?

I've made about 10 deals on the simulator involving Betts & Price or Betts and Eovaldi. This is my favorite: Betts, Price + $3M for Pollock, Kelly & Maeda to balance the money a little + Beaty (1B/OF), Downs minors 2B, Cartaya minors C,

Trading Betts and then resigning him makes a lot of sense for 2021 and beyond, but it all but ends any hopes for 2020 while hurting ticket sales and viewership, this year. If we deal Betts, why hang onto JD? He's opting out, regardless. (Again, we could bring him back, too.) Dump Price and/or Eovaldi to open up some spending room for 2021 and 2022. I'm not saying I want to trade Betts, but if we do, then just go for it.

If healthy... 1) Sale 2) ERod 3) Price 4) Eovaldi 5) Perez 6) Velazquez 7) Shawaryn 8) R Weber 9) K Hart 10) D Reyes Not on 40 man: Houck/Johnson/McGrath/Kent/Mata/Wade

Price might make the 2016-2025 decade list, if anyone does one.

Not necessarily. We could resign Betts and maybe even JD. We'd have reset the tax. If we miss out on Betts and & JD, in theory, we could spend up to $39.99M over the lux line for 2021.

If we trade Betts, we might as well totally rebuild by trading anyone who has 1 year left or is not part of a longer term rebuild: JBJ JD (will opt out) Price Eovaldi Workman (FA after 2020) Maybe even FAs to be after 2021: ERod Barnes Hembree

The advantage of taking Herrera would be to fill an OF/DH slot, so we can trade JBJ and have a replacement- not just the tax savings. Belt fill the 1B opening, but the savings are not much. The Pollock/Maeda for Eovaldi/JBJ deals comes out almost dead even on the trade simulator (no money exchanging hands). Pollock is owed $51M/3. Eovaldi is owed $51M/3. JBJ will likely get $11.5M/1. Maeda is owed $12.5M/4. The total money is about even, but the tax cost savings is about $13M in 2020. I'd do this deal in a heartbeat, but it alone does not get us under the line. That's why trading Price & JBJ makes more sense. Price & JBJ for Pollock & Joe Kelly was accepted, but I doubt the Dodgers agree to it. We'd save $27M on the tax line, so we could afford to pay some of Price's deal, but how much would LA demand? The actual money would be: $96M/3 Price $11M/1 JBJ $51M/2 Pollock $23M/2 Kelly $107M to $74M in 2020 but $$96M to $74M in 2021. It's 2022 that would burn LA.

Other rather large salary vs lux tax cost players are: LAD: Pollock $51M/3 ($12M LUX) Maybe trade Price, cash & JBJ for Pollock. PHI: O Herrera $20M/2 ($6.1M) LAA Upton $72M/3 ($21.2M) SFG Belt $34.2M/2 ($14.6) not a big differential. The simulator accepted Eovaldi, JBJ and $3M for Pollock & Maeda.

Yes, especially those from a cheap shot.