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If they all sold, today, this might be close to their profits: http://www.afootinthebox.com/peter/every-mlb-teams-purchase-price-and-value-today Henry would make more than $2 billion in less than 20 years on a $660M investment (a 300% profit).

$24M is $8M a year, so we'd still save a lot of money with the deal.

I'd do it. I think we save even more on the lux tax, right? Maybe SD would take JBJ and keep the $5M.

Okay, is that the only one out of hundreds of sales over the last century?

No. Stock value only counts when you sell. Plus, Henry has made mega bucks along the way. He will sell the Sox at a massive profit, IMO.

So, Price is a good deal going forward at $32M, but Betts is not worth $50M? I'll take Betts at $40M a year over Price + Eovaldi in a heartbeat ($59M/yr).

Yes, because Betts is easily better than $26%+ of our roster combined. We need to reset, so it's not $75M the first year.

A look at the farm... http://news.soxprospects.com/2019/12/fallwinter-league-roundup-rivera-gets.html?fbclid=IwAR2I_SJlR0XvtlsX6G8utvqL18mtDWn0hGo9UpD3uyNGsyUW0bURwSXFkVs

I like Marisnik. I've seen him play a lot. I think he's good for the clubhouse, too. This trade was approved by the trade simulator: JBJ, Eovaldi, Chavis, Walden & $3M for Marisnik, Matz & Jed Lowrie

No. I'm not a Wilson fan. His WHIP has been over 1.3 for the last couple years and over 1.29 for 4 straight. His K rate is good, but that's about it. I'm dealing JBJ to save almost the full $11M. I'm thinking, the more budget space we free up for bloom, the more opportunities he'll have to find those gems in the rough- multiple gems. I've been swinging towards trading more salary than I felt a while back. I'd look to trade Price, Eovaldi and JBJ this winter and look to trade Betts & JD at the deadline, assuming we are not in the race. With the money freed up, Bloom can try to find a few "keepers" that might help beyond 2020 and a few bridge players to carry us to the reset 2021 season, where hopefully JH will open the wallet again.

In the history of MLB, has any owner ever lost money when selling a team, even with adjusted dollars to inflation?

I doubt the Sox would take on more salary with the Eovaldi-Myers trade, despite it actually lowering the lux tax budget by $3.17M a year x 3. Maybe SD pitches in $5M a year to even out the trade, and we save $8.2M a year on the lux tax. Add that to JBJ's $11M, and we'll have about $22M to spend this winter and stay under. I wonder if SD would take price + $2M a year for Myers- making his net cost just $7M a year. We save $7M but $15M on the Lux Budget.

There has been some talk that SD is possibly looking to sign a SP'er, so maybe they can spend "the difference" on Price. They may not want Price, though.

Not much wiggle room, unless we dump Eovaldi or Price.

I heard the Mets.

It's about rectifying the bad (financial) moves made in the past. We threw money after money and thinking the solution is to keep throwing money seems a bit illogical. Standing pat neither gets us a ring nor budget relief. DD & Henry like maniacs (plus Ben with Pablo & HRam). We might not like to think about it, but a balance was always in the future. The future came quicker than we thought or hoped, but it's here. We can put it off another year, I suppose, and go for one last hurrah, but the balance will come.

There's not many CF'ers on the market, but for the same reasons I think trading JBJ is what's best for the team (mostly budget), I do wonder why other teams are so interested. I guess they may not have tight budgets.

Price for Myers? This from MLBTRs... As expected, the Padres are hoping to trade pricey and underperforming outfielder/first baseman Wil Myers, Jayson Stark of The Athletic reports. The Padres appear highly motivated to part with Myers, according to Stark, who adds that there’s even a willingness on the team’s part to attach prospects from its loaded farm system if it would encourage someone to take the veteran off its hands. Kevin Acee of the San Diego Union-Tribune reported back in September that the Padres would “likely” be willing to eat half of the $60MM left on Myers’ contract to get rid of him. At this point, it’s unknown whether the amount’s still in that ballpark. Myers, who turns 30 on Tuesday, has another three years left on his deal.

True nuff

If we dump Price and JBJ, we can more than afford Lindblom and several others like him or even slightly more expensive.

If we can replace JBJ with a great defensive CF making min wage, we won't be losing much in CF. Losing Price, to me, is just losing the potential of Price getting healthy and returning to form. I don't see the odds of that as being very good, so trading him makes more sense. If he stays unhealthy or continues to decline or both, what have we lost that we wouldn't have already lost by keeping him? The major answer is money. If we can save some by dealing him and maybe get lucky with a resurgent Myers playing 1B for 1-3 years. Just trading JBJ and Price would allow us to obtain a few role players and maybe give us a chance at one last hurrah in 2020. If July comes around and we're 10 back, I doubt anyone would be strongly opposed to trading players who will be gone or likely gone after 2020 (Betts & JD). I'm hopeful we can keep our "down time" to just 1-2 years. I know that sounds sad and a bit tragic when you consider we'll still be neat the luxury tax the whole time not contending, but it is what it is. We will likely lose JD's contract (and production) after 2020. Hopefully, we bring Betts back, but if we don't, we'll have a lot of budget space next winter. We lose Pedey after 2021. Eovaldi & Price after 2022.

MLBTR... https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/12/red-sox-notes-rumors-jbj-mookie-porcello-holt-front-office.html

Stranger is the Lindblom fan club.

I much prefer Roark, and I only mentioned Teheran, because he eats innings and makes those I'm trying to sell the idea to more palatable. I'd much prefer Roark and someone like Lindblom or some other low risk bridge signing. I'm leaning towards just looking towards 2021 and beyond (at least this minute, anyways).

Why? While Porcello & Price may have higher WAR values, how much is the WAR of the pitcher who has to replace Price every year after he gets hurt? IP matter 2017-2019 IP Pitcher WAR 569 Porcello 6.2 539 Teheran 3.3 520 Roark 6.9 358 Price 6.2 Plus, we have to factor in any plus WAR Myers & Odor give us over Travis, Chavis and/or Lin. I see our chances being about even.