moonslav59

Nomar was not our best player in 2004. Betts is our best player, today.

What about IFA pool money?

Nomar was far from being our best player, at the time of the trade.

It would be the quickest and surest way to get back on top, but too many fans might revolt. We could look to bring Betts & maybe JD back in 2021. The hardest one to part with, to me, would be Betts and ERod. Here are the 1 & 2 year control players: 1 Betts JBJ Workman JD (opt out likely) 2 Pedroia (not trading) ERod Barnes Hembree 3 (Not a big part of 2022 plans) Price Eovaldi JD (if no opt out)

Good but not highly competitive with Joc in RF over Betts.

That loss to Michigan killed us. We keep playing the hardest opponent real close but lose, then lose a game we should win. I'm not sure we'll ever get back on top with all the academic restrictions we have these days.

Devers should never be brought up in any trade talks.

If Betts is gone, why keep anyone with just 1 year of control, assuming we can get something good for him?

Then let's trade 'em for Upton or include Walden or Chavez in the deal... LOL.

Well, it seems like the only reason stopping the deal is the money, so yes- it's the "only reason." Ofcourse, I'd rather have 1 year of Joc than 3 of Pollock, but the Dodgers need more cash or salaries off their books.

Taking Pollock improves the cash flow for the Dodgers and allows us to get a better prospect(s). I doubt Betts & Price for Pederson gets us anything more.

Can we stop the Joc talk? Please! The guy has one year left and gets us nowhere. Plus, he's basically a platoon player. His estimated $9M arb does not sweeten the financial burden all that muc for the Dodgers. The obvious stumbling block is the money. As much as I don't really want Pollock and Kelly, they do have a chance at rebounding and are better than just sending cash to LA to offset Price's bloated contract. Pollock is owed $51M/3, but his $12M x 3 luxury tax burden is a big help for the Sox budget plans. Kelly is owed $21M/2 (assuming he gets the $4M buyout on a $12M 3rd year), but his lux number is $8.3M x 2. Together, these two cost $73M, which is more than what is needed to offset Price's value and contract of $96M/3. Betts is worth more than $27M, so no offset is needed there. The problem is, the Dodgers don't want to pay mega taxes either. Dodger cost: Year 1: $59M (Price $32M + Betts $29M/ Lux tax cost is $58M) Year 2: $32M Price ($31M LUX) Year 3: $32M Price ($31M LUX) Sox cost: Year 1: $23.5M (Pollock $15M + Kelly $8.5M/ Lux is $20.3M) Year 2: $26.5M (Pollock $18M + Kelly $8.5M/ Lux is $20.3M) Year 3: $22M (Pollock$13M + $5M buyout + $4M Kelly buyout/ Lux is $12M) The Differential (Dogers pay this much more than the Sox): Year 1: $35M ($28M on Lux line) Essentially, the Dodgers are paying $27M for Betts and $8M for Price but no longer have Pollock & Kelly. Year 2: $5M ($11M Lux) Dogers are paying $5M for Price in 2021 (no Pollock/Kelly) Year 3: $10M ($9M Lux) Dodgers are paying $10M for Price (no Pollock) To me, including Pollock & Kelly cancels out the Price contract vs worth, so we need some good prospects returned in the deal.

Yes, the manager's loss of faith.

I assumed, yes. Betts alone for Pollock, Gonsolin & Stripling came out as +50 for LAD and -0.50 for the Sox.

The trade simulator indicates we might have to pitch in $5M to make this deal even. Price + $5M & Betts for Pollock, Gonsolin & Stripling. I'd prefer to take Joe Kelly and maybe Cartaya or Busch & Wong, instead of giving $5M.

So, 8 years to Manny and Pedey (not big money to Pedey, though) plus 7 years to Price and Crawford (no ring for CC) don't count?

My bad. I just assumed...

No Seager or Pederson in return. We'd need players that might help for 4-5 years- at a low cost. If we take salary back to lessen the Price salary hit to the Dodgers, then Pollock is the man.

Sarcasm?

I tend to agree, but if I think we take some salary back- hopefully not Pederson, maybe Urias or Ruiz could come back. Pollock- owed $51M/3 but just $12M on Lux Tax line. Kelly- owed $16.7M/2 ($8.33M for each of the next 2 seasons). That allows for a better return but still without one of their best prospects. While the trade simulator is far from perfect, it might offer some ballpark options on what the Sox could expect in return for Betts (+50) & Price (-55.3) for Pollock (-39.3) & ________. If you add Joe Kelly (-12.7)to soften the financial blow to LA by a little more, the remaining differential is such: Pollock without Kelly: 34.0 Pollock with Kelly: 46.7 Here are some players that, in theory, could be mixed and matched to come close to those numbers: (These guys are too highly rated: Lux 85.1, May 61.4, Seager 57.4 & probably Verdugo 50.1.) 44.7 Ruiz C 29.1 Urias SP- majors 21.9 Downs 2B 19.9 Gonsolin P 18.3 Gray P 12.2 Maeda SP-majors 10.3 Cartaya C 7.6 Busch 2B 5.4 Vargas 1B/3B 4.7 Santana 1B/3B 4.5 Estevez 2B 4.5 Rios 1B 4.3 Wong C 3.3 Beaty 1B/OF majors (nice platoon with Chavis at 1B?) I admit, I don't know jack about Dodger prospects, but in terms of what we need, I'm thinking something like this looks best, in theory: Just Pollock (34 total in return): 19.9 Gonsolin P 7.6 Busch 2B 4.3 Wong C 3.3 Beaty 1B Pollock & Kelly (46.7) 21.9 Downs 19.9 Gonsolin 4.3 Wong or 19.9 Gonsolin P 12.2 Maeda P 10.3 Cartaya C 3.3 Beaty 1B These deals assume no money added to the deal. If we add money, we can sweeten the return. Add about $10M and maybe... 21.9 Downs 2B 19.9 Gonsolin P 10.3 Cartaya C 3.3 Beaty 1B/OF majors

Does trading him differ much from losing him to free agency and getting just a measly comp pick for him? I'm a huge Betts fan. I'm on record suggesting we pay him around $350M/10. Not many here agree with me on this, but losing him for nothing would hurt more than trading him for something. Plus, trading him would help us reset and better position us to make a bold offer to him after the 2020 season is over. If we can trade JBJ and Price to get under the line and extend Betts, I'd prefer that, but I'm wondering how possible that is, right now.

You never know. Some teams that can't afford to pay Betts $27M for 6 months but find themselves in the playoff hunt in July, might be able to muster up $9M for 2 months of Betts and a post season scenario. Price and Eovaldi's value could rise or fall greatly based on their first 3-4 months of 2020. I'd try to trade one before ST'ing.

It was more Sale & Price love: Sale ERA with these catchers (300+ ABs) 2.51 Pierzynski 2.79 Leon 2.98 Navarro 3.02 Flowers 3.36 Phegley 4.61 Vazquez Price: (600+ ABs) 2.85 Molina 2.96 Leon 3.06 Jaso 3.61 Shoppach 4.27 Vaz Maybe Porcello, to a lesser extent (300+ PAs) 4.17 Avila 4.19 Leon 4.32 Laird 4.93 Swihart 4.96 Vaz 5.38 Holaday

Another Yankee caught cheating with PEDs. https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/01/domingo-german-reportedly-facing-significant-suspension.html

Would the Dodger take Betts & Price for May or Urias- straight up? The simulator says we'd need to give this much cash to even up these single player return deals: $56M for May $45M Verdugo $39M Ruiz $24M Urias $16M Downs $14M Gonsolin $13M Gray $5M Cartaya $2M Busch $1 Vargas $0M Santana, Estevez, Rios or Wong.