moonslav59

Sandy Leon.

I was mostly talking about your points made last winer- before the 2019 season. He wasn't top 5 because he was out hurt? If he was healthy, he counts as top 5. Your math is funny. If a guy is really hurt on the Yanks, you don't count him as a starting 5 guy out hurt. If he's a Sox guy, he's one of our top 5 guys always out hurt.

Ok, I mixed up the 2/3 and 1/3 split, but 33% of $13.8 is not $3.8M. The $3.8M comes from the idea that the $10M SD pays is totally deducted from the $13.8M tax line. 33% of $13.8M is 5.6M.

Did you count him as one of your top 5 starters out hurt all the time? No.

You got that right.

Yes, I get it and I am looking at it that way, too. They paid most of the contract, so they should pay most of the taxes. I just don't think this way is proportional. The contract was $83M. Let's say they pay the Sox $27.7M, which is 2/3 of the total contract. In my opinion, they should pay 2/3 of the remaining tax hit, so at the end of his deal, they pay 2/3 his contract and 2/3 his taxes, since AAV is what is used to calculate the taxes. 2/3 of the $13.8 lux tax cost is about $8.6M. We'd be "on the hook" for $5.2M not $3.8M. The difference is not much, but I think it is fairer.

I never said the Yanks were "the same," but you clearly show way more optimism towards your guys than ours. It's understandable but still needs to be pointed out. You were way more optimistic about Paxton than our pitchers with injury histories. Sevy barely has a history due to his age, but he has spent a huge percent of his time in the bigs on the IL. Yes, Happ has been healthy for many years but still only topped 178 IP once in his career and over 145 in 3 of his 6 seasons before last year. Tanaka had been very healthy but also was never a big innings eater. No issues with your view on him. German and Montgomery- LOL! I'd consider Montgomery one of your starting 5, but he's hurt so much, you forgot to count him as one.

True, but not this winter.

I've never understood this reasoning for "rest." It's seems so obvious to get the procedure needed done ASAP.

You do more than criticize depth. You bashed every single one of our starters, except ERod for their injury history and chances of recovering, yet you seemed very optimistic about all your starters, despite their injury history, lack of IP'd the last few years or ver recent time on the IL. Just saying...

Again, I'm not doubting your point. I'm just saying it doesn't seem right. I'm glad for us it works this way. This really gives incentive for teams to front load contracts they may want to get rid of as the player ages. The team getting them gets a big break on taxes.

Looks like a better deal than the Peraza one.

Maybe the only way I can get you to like or agree with me, is if I become the next Sox GM! What do you think?

I get the quirk with the AVV. Myer's got paid much more early in his deal, so his AVV is way less than his actual salary, now. That part will save the Sox a lot of space on the luxury line, regardless of how the formula works when a team pays the other to take a player. His AVV is $13.8M, but he's making $20M. It seems fair, that if both teams pay half his salry, it would mean both teams get charged half on the lux tax (about $6.9M each) and not SD $10M and us $3.8M. I'm not saying I know what the rule is, but if it is as you say it is, it clearly lets one team "off the hook" at the expense of the other. To me, maybe the fairest way is to take the percent of his whole deal SD is giving us, and then apply that percent to the AVV and split it that way, but I doubt that is the way it is, especially since they don't go back and retroactively change the numbers of years in the past, which my suggested way would do. I hope the number would be $3.8M for us, not $6.9M, but either way, it's a good deal for us, if we get Quantrill and maybe another prospect plus Myers, who I am not writing off, for just $3.8 or $6.( on the lux budget.

Are you starting to see why we think you are more aggressive when criticizing Sox pitcher's health concerns, when all along we've been telling you to do the same with Yankee starters?

You think all teams handle pitchers the exact same way? They all use the same signals, pitching progressions, exercise routines and use the same book on opposing batters? Just the fact that most pitcher do way better with one catcher over the other is proof, there is more to pitching than just taking the mound every 5 days. There are systems, routines and relationships to build with each catcher.

I'm not saying this is not the way it's done. I'm still not sure, although I trust cots. I will say, if SD and BOS were both paying a luxury tax (hypothetically), then it would seem like one team is getting off the hook of paying taxes. If both teams are paying half the traded player's salary, but one team pays more taxes, I'd say the other team is "getting off the hook."

Why would SD, who is paying half his contract, get off the hook ? - not that they pay lux tax, anyways. Maybe they take the percentage of the whole contract from day one that SD is paying us and apply that to the lux tax numbers.

If we pay $11M and SD pays $11M of Myers's salary this year, why do we get a bigger break on the lux tax line. It seems, to me, like the lux tax line would be split 50-50, too.

I just got rid of my flip phone, so I'm with you...

I don't think it works like that. I think, if SD pays half his salary, we are charged half his lux tax cost ($6.9M) not $3.8M.

Of course, I do, but we can still stay under by taking a little less cash. I want to build the farm, too, and it's a tight balance.

I said system, not park, mound and rubber.

My guess is $10M a year for 3 years.

If they gave us more prospects, I might demand less money.