moonslav59

Maybe this might work, assuming $35M is the suggested guideline: $13 x 3 Odorizzi $9M x 2 Quintana $6M x 1 Hernandez $4M x 1 Desclafani $3M x 1 Marisnik

One by the very guy who took the job! Everyone knows Henry is committed to winning, and Bloom has a nice resume, too. I'm sure Cora is thrilled to be back and is excited about the challenges ahead, knowing we will be adding better players each year, going forward.

That is the type of scenario I could see Bloom working out. I'm worried about adding a pitcher with health concerns, though. (I'd love to see Simmons as our FT SS.)

Said already.

Indeed, but we would not be handing him away for nothing.

Maybe a little. I think we need a few more signings to have a better idea.

I like something like "J", too, but I think we should try to sign at least one guy to 3 or more years, especially if we are seeing "Bargain rates".

With T-Rex arms?

A rare attribute, these days. I really like the Cora-Bloom dynamic. I can't help but think we will be seeing some very highly successful days under these two- hopefully sooner than later. Although I prefer a longer term approach, not making the playoffs for 3-4 straight years hurts like hell.

I respect you and your opinions as much, if not more, than most posters here. Yes, we disagree a lot, but we do find common ground from time to time, and I enjoy discussing the Red Sox with you. On this sensitive issue, I think people and posters tend to get emotional when things are going badly. It seems to be our nature to seek to blame somebody for the problems we have, right now. Some even blame Henry- the greatest thing that's ever happened to the Sox. We've even seen Theo and Tito and just about every person with a major role in the last two decades of the Red Sox history of success get blasted at some point or another. Nobody is perfect, and we tend to let them know when they are not. I guess that can be seen as juvenile, unfair and a lot of other words, too. I get your point, and you have been very consistent and unwavering with it for as long as I've known you. Perhaps, I have been hypercritical, at times, as my passion for winning probably gets the best of me, but it's clear we all love the Sox in our own ways- sometimes in a bit peculiar ways. Anyways, I greatly appreciate your contributions, too.

So, according to cots, the Sox have about $35M to spend under the lux tax and $55M to stay under the second penalty line. I'm not sure, if there is a directive to stay under either line, but let's assume Bloom is given about $35M as a guideline. Going by the numbers from MLBTR, which of these two signing groups would you choose? A. $32M x 4 Bauer $3M x 1 Marisnik B. $25M x 5 Realmuto (Trade Vaz for a CFand/or RP'er) $9M Quintana C. $25M x 5 Springer $9M x 2 Quintana D. $18M x 4 Ozuna $17M x 4 Stroman E. $17M x 4 Stroman $13M x 3 Tanaka $5M x 1 Pillar F. $13M x 3 Odorizzi $10M x 3 L Hendricks $10M x 2 J McCann (Traded Vaz for a CF'er) F. $13M x 3 Odorizzi $10M x 1 Paxton $9M x 2 Quintana $3M x 1 Marisnik G. $10M x 1 Paxton $9M x 2 Quintana $8M x 2 T Walker $8M x 2 K Wong (Duran in CF) H. $10M x 1 Paxton $9M x 2 Quintana $8M x 2 K Wong $7M x 2 T May $3M x 1 Marisnik (Total $37M) I. $9M x 2 Quintana $8M x 2 K Wong $8M x 1 C Morton $7M x 2 T May $3M x 1 Marisnik J. $8M x 1 C Morton $6M x 1 C Hernandez (2B) $6M x 1 A Colome $5M x 1 Lester $4M x 1 Desclafani $5M x 1 Pillar

I hardly bring up DD (or Ben) either, unless in response to someone else bringing them up. Certainly there are posters who post to get under people's skins, but I don't think it gets out of hand. Kimmie may be DD'd biggest critic, but I don't see her as being even close to juvenile. I'm not asking for you to name names, but I'm not seeing what you are, but hey, that's what makes for a lively discussion board.

OMG! Bloom is sitting on his hands! How could he let him get away?

Not sure what's juvenile, but I welcome all opinions.

I see it more as defending Ben against the bashing than praising him. I also see it as an attempt to give Bens some credit for DD's success by providing him with a farm full of desirable prospects who allowed DD to acquire the players needed to get to the promiseland.

That's why many of the very good RP'ers only have a WAR around 1.0 to 1.5.

Thanks, bell.

Yes, indeed, but if we think he will opt out, and our rebuild is geared more towards 2022 or 2023 than 2021, it would make sense to kick the tires on possible returns, now or next summer.

I would not pay JBJ $6M/1- certainly not $12M/2. It seems many think he will get that or more, so I'll take Marisnik at $3M/1 or $5M/2.

I'd like to keep him, too, and maybe with COVID, the opt out is less likely, but who knows? As everyone knows, I'm a huge defense up the middle guy, and I've never been impressed with Bogey's D, but I do think that if management thinks he will opt out, he will likely be traded.

I seem to remember there were more, and maybe there is only one left- 5 years after Ben has been gone. Maybe there will be only one persistent DD basher 5 years from now. I'm betting on Kimmie. (No offense, Kimmie, I agree with a lot of your points.)

Kinda like the Ben-bashing, rolling wagon did, and occasionally continues.

It would be nice to see him play down here. I would not pay the projected cost for JBJ. We need more money for pitching, pitching, pitching.

I'm not sure how much pull Cora has in player acquisitions.

I just don't see anything, other than off the charts speed, that demands jumping through hoops to promote him 2 levels. If promoting him allows us to improve our pitching staff to make us contenders, then maybe, but we will almost certainly be acquiring an OF'er who can play CF.