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Yes, I got it backwards. True, they still need a 2021 catcher.

Rays just traded their best catching prospect and have no catchers on their 40 man roster. I'm thinking Vaz may be headed their way. Vaz for Kiermaier & Chrinos or Yarbrough plus maybe a smaller piece. (I'd like to see Shane Baz as that third piece, as we could add Chatham or Chavis, if needed.) The Trade Values site accepts Vaz for Kiermaier, Chirnos & Yarbrough, but I seriously doubt we'd get 2 SP'ers back.

Done deal. DD just hired.

Shane Baz would be a nice get, but he's never pitched above A ball, so I would not count on him as being a candidate for the 5 slot in the rotation. He's 21 years old.

Sounds better than most!

No surprise- No Sox players drafted in rule 5 or rule 5 minors. The Sox did taker a couple players in the minor league draft, too: Triple-A Phase Round 1 1) Pirates: Shea Spitzbarth, RHP (Dodgers) 2) Rangers: Matthew Wivinis, RHP (Yankees) 3) Tigers: Yunior Perez, RHP (Cubs) 4) Red Sox: Tyreque Reed, 1B (Rangers) 5) Orioles: Rickey Ramirez, RHP (Twins) 6) D-backs: Tyler Gilbert, LHP (Dodgers) 7) Angels: Brendon Davis, SS (Rangers) 8) Mets: Andrew Ferguson, CF (Astros) 9) Mariners: Amador Arias, 2B (Rays) 10) Giants: Vince Fernandez, OF (Rockies) 11) Astros: Joe Record, RHP (Twins) 12) Marlins: Jake Fishman, LHP (Blue Jays) 13) Reds: Errol Robinson, SS (Dodgers) 14) Cardinals: Garrett Williams, LHP (Angels) 15) Blue Jays: Sebastian Espino, SS (Mets) 16) Yankees: Matt Krook, LHP (Rays) 17) Cubs: Nicholas Padilla, RHP (Rays) 18) White Sox: Martin Carrasco, RHP (Padres) 19) Guardians: Chris Roller, CF (Dodgers) 20) Braves: A.J. Puckett, RHP (White Sox) 21) A's: Zach Jackson, RHP (Blue Jays) 22) Twins: Jhonleider Salinas, RHP (Rays) 23) Padres: Yorman Rodriguez, C (Blue Jays) 24) Rays: Jordan Brink, RHP (Cardinals) 25) Dodgers: Ryan January, C (D-backs) Round 2 26) Pirates: Claudio Finol, SS (Reds) 27) Rangers: Yohel Pozo, C (Padres) 28) Red Sox: Kaleb Ort, RHP (Yankees) 29) Orioles: Christopher Hudgins, C (Royals) 30) Angels: Gustavo Campero, C (Yankees) 31) Mets: Justin Dillon, RHP (Blue Jays) 32) Giants: Ronnie Williams, RHP (Cardinals) 33) Astros: Seth Martinez, RHP (A's) 34) Marlins: Dylan Bice, RHP (Rangers) 35) Reds: Wilfred Astudillo, C (Mets) 36) Yankees: Reggie McClain, RHP (Phillies) 37) Cubs: Samuel Reyes, RHP (Pirates) 38) Braves: Jalen Miller, 2B (Giants) 39) A's: Brett Graves, RHP (Marlins) 40) Twins: Josh Mitchell, LHP (Royals) 41) Padres: Ben Ruta, LF (Yankees) 42) Rays: Ezequiel Zabaleta, RHP (Mets) 43) Dodgers: Roimer Bolivar, RHP (Rays) Round 3 44) Pirates: Jeffrey Passantino, RHP (Cubs) 45) Rangers: Justin Marsden, RHP (Rays) 46) Orioles: Ignacio Feliz, RHP (Padres) 47) Mets: Drew Jackson, 2B (Dodgers) 48) Giants: Mitchell Tolman, 2B (Mets) 49) Marlins: Marcus Chiu, 2B (Dodgers) 50) Reds: Chuckie Robinson, C (Astros) 51) Braves: Jacob Pearson, OF (Twins) Round 4 52) Mets: Jesus Reyes, RHP (Reds) 53) Reds: Yoel Yanqui, 1B (D-backs) Round 5 54) Mets: Jose Zorrilla, LHP (Reds) 55) Reds: Wes Robertson, RHP (Rangers) Round 6 56) Reds: Steven Leyton, SS (D-backs)

Rule 5, so far... First Round 1. Pittsburgh Pirates: Jose Soriano (Angels) 2. Texas Rangers: Brett de Geus (Dodgers) 3. Detroit Tigers: Akil Baddoo (Twins) 4. Boston Red Sox: Garrett Whitlock (Yankees) 5. Baltimore Orioles: Mac Sceroler (Reds) 6. Arizona Diamondbacks: Zach Pop (Royals) 7. Kansas City Royals: Pass 8. Colorado Rockies: Jordan Sheffield (Dodgers) 9. Los Angeles Angels: Jose Alberto Rivera (Astros) 10. New York Mets: Luis Oviedo (Guardians), traded to Pirates for cash considerations, tweets MLB.com’s Anthony DiComo 11. Washington Nationals: Pass 12. Seattle Mariners: Will Vest (Tigers) 13. Philadelphia Phillies: Kyle Holder (Yankees) 14. San Francisco Giants: Dedniel Nunez (Mets) 15. Houston Astros: Pass 16. Milwaukee Brewers: Pass 17. Miami Marlins: Paul Campbell (Rays) 18. Cincinnati Reds: Pass 19. St. Louis Cardinals: Pass 20. Toronto Blue Jays: No 40-man roster space 21. New York Yankees: Pass 22. Chicago Cubs: Gray Fenter (Orioles) 23. Chicago White Sox: Pass 24. Cleveland Guardians: Trevor Stephan (Yankees) 25. Atlanta Braves: Pass 26. Oakland Athletics: Ka’ai Tom (Guardians) 27. Minnesota Twins: Pass 28. San Diego Padres: No 40-man roster space 29. Tampa Bay Rays: Pass 30. Los Angeles Dodgers: Pass Second Round 5. Baltimore Orioles: Tyler Wells (Twins) 26. Oakland Athletics: Dany Jimenez (Blue Jays)

Rule 5 First Round 1. Pittsburgh Pirates: Jose Soriano (Angels) 2. Texas Rangers: Brett de Geus (Dodgers) 3. Detroit Tigers: Akil Baddoo (Twins) 4. Boston Red Sox: Garrett Whitlock (Yankees) 5. Baltimore Orioles: Mac Sceroler (Reds) 6. Arizona Diamondbacks: Zach Pop (Royals) 7. Kansas City Royals: Pass 8. Colorado Rockies: Jordan Sheffield (Dodgers) 9. Los Angeles Angels: Jose Alberto Rivera (Astros) 10. New York Mets: Luis Oviedo (Guardians), traded to Pirates for cash considerations, tweets MLB.com’s Anthony DiComo 11. Washington Nationals: Pass 12. Seattle Mariners: Will Vest (Tigers) 13. Philadelphia Phillies: Kyle Holder (Yankees) 14. San Francisco Giants: Dedniel Nunez (Mets) 15. Houston Astros: Pass 16. Milwaukee Brewers: Pass 17. Miami Marlins: Paul Campbell (Rays) 18. Cincinnati Reds: Pass 19. St. Louis Cardinals: Pass 20. Toronto Blue Jays: No 40-man roster space 21. New York Yankees: Pass 22. Chicago Cubs: Gray Fenter (Orioles) 23. Chicago White Sox: Pass 24. Cleveland Guardians: Trevor Stephan (Yankees) 25. Atlanta Braves: Pass 26. Oakland Athletics: Ka’ai Tom (Guardians) 27. Minnesota Twins: Pass 28. San Diego Padres: No 40-man roster space 29. Tampa Bay Rays: Pass 30. Los Angeles Dodgers: Pass Second Round 5. Baltimore Orioles: Tyler Wells (Twins) 26. Oakland Athletics: Dany Jimenez (Blue Jays)

If they have the better park, why did they wait to now, to swap?

There are no "big expenditures" but enough moderate ones to put us significantly over the lux tax line not just for 2021, but likely for 2022 as well. I do think Henry would be fine with going over in 2021, but maybe not over the $20M second line, unless we look like we could win a ring.

2 years at $8M? $9M? $6M? I might go as high as $5.5M x 2 with incentives.

The Rule 5 draft starts in minutes. I'm on the edge of my seat! (NOT!)

Any reason why?

LOL. I'd love him back- just not at the money and years talked about, here. JBJ> Pillar or Marisnik and likely both combined, and if we have no spending limit, I'd be fine with JBJ being signed, but we only have so much to spend, and pitching has 3-4 slots in bigger need than JBJ vs Pillar.

Very reasonable and a decent team. I wonder what the budget line might be on this team.

Maybe he read all the bashing posts on this site.

He did, "Someone currently on the roster."

If 495 didn't pass by Lowell, I may never have visited it.

Mexico's death/cases rate is over 9- about the worst in the world, but we have slightly more deaths per million than Mexico and are pulling away. We may be spenders this winter, but not by that much.

If Pillar costs half of what JBJ gets and maybe 1-2 years not 2-4 years, I'll go with Pillar. Pillar .784 career vs LHPs m(.678 v R) or Marisnik .711 v LHP (.638 v R) plus Brad Miller .772 vs RHPs (.619) or Dee Gordon .694 v RHP (.640 v R) Might be a nice and cheaper platoon than just getting JBJ alone (.752 vs RHP/ .685 vs LHP)

I'd rather have Quintana or a second tier SP'ers or 2 decent pen arms than an expensive 2Bman. It's not just expensive FA pitchers that are available.

I'd give Chavis & Chatham for Leclerc, Odor and Hernandez & $7M cash. The site accepted it. I'd actually do it without the cash or Hernandez (maybe sub Trevino) or maybe just $3M ($1M a year).

While Odor is owed $27M/2, assuming 3rd year option is declined and LeClerc is owed $15.5M/3, assuming his 4th year is declined, which it may not be, and the total is about $33M for the next 2-3 years, total, the luxury tax hit is only $11.9M combined. That really works great for the Sox. We get our closer and a possible starting 2Bman. Even if we end up cutting Odor, eventually, $12M a year for a decent closer is okay. I checked out the Trade values site and a Chatham & Groome for LeClerc & odor showed a net of 16 in the Ranger's favor. That could be made up for in a number of ways: 1. Some cash going to BOS, which would lessen the tax. 2. Get a catcher in return and maybe trade Vaz: Huff C/1B value 16.7 (minors) Hernandez C/1B value 11.0 (minors) Trevino C value 2.9 (MLB pre-arb) 3. Pitching prospect: Crouse 7.1 Rodriguez 6.9 4. ML pitcher: Palumbo 6.3 (LHP can start) Martin 5.6 (LHP) Cody 0.9 (RHP) The site accepted: Chatham & Groome for Leclerc, Odor, Hernandez & Martin and Chavis, Chatham & Groome for Leclerc, Odor + $5M, Hernandez & Crouse and Chavis & Groome for Leclerc, Odor +$7M & Hernandez

Maybe his O>D?

Steve Adams... The Red Sox aren’t ruling out a reunion with Jackie Bradley Jr., as general manager Brian O’Halloran told reporters yesterday that the longtime Sox center fielder is “definitely on our radar” (link via MassLive.com’s Christopher Smith). Bradley has been linked to Toronto (who hasn’t?) and Houston thus far in the offseason, and the center fielder himself told former teammate Will Middlebrooks in a recent podcast appearance that he’s heard from multiple clubs in free agency. -MLBTR