moonslav59

I agree, with a few exceptions: players that change positions, especially from pitcher to position player or players out for long times with an injury. Is the age different for college grads? How about IFAs?

The minor league draftees do NOT need to stay on the 26 man roster all year like Arauz did.

3 Yankee prospects taken in the rule 5 draft and 3 in the minor league draft. No Sox prospects taken.

I think the general consensus is that the Yanks have a good and especially deep farm system. It's no surprise they had more than one player chosen in the rule 5 draft and minor league draft.

Yes, I'm assuming we eventually sign someone to the 40 man roster and need to make room. My guess is we add 3-5 players to the 40 man roster. We may trade some away to make room, but I'm thinking we will end up DFA'ing 2-3 guys by opening day- maybe more. There's also the Pedey situation.

I guess Chirinos just had TJ surgery, so maybe Fairbanks or Anderson (throw in Chavis or Chatham).

This signing may make Wilson's DFA more likely.

Finally, the Sox make a major move! (LOL)

About negative 31, according to the Trade Values site. Vaz is +21. Kiermaier, due to his salary is -9.7. That's why we could possibly get a SP'er and more added into the deal. We'd open a new slot at catcher but maybe fill 3 other slots: CF, SP & RP.

Actually, the deal was set for 3, but he threw in another kid just for kicks.

That's my point. A deal for Lowe or Glasnow is impossible. I'm not sure what to call the idea of a trade for both.

Shouldn't we expect a regression to his post-prime norm?

Brandon Lowe has an extremely high value because of his 5 years of team control at about $5.5M per year and this for his 2019-2020 line: .270 31 88 in just 489 ABs Project to 162 games and it's 37 HRs and 104 RBI for a 2Bman! .876 OPS 2019-2020. He's just 26. 5 years of the prime of prime. Vaz has 2 years on the tail end of prime and has a .727 OPS the last 3 years. Ward may never make MLB, unless he gets his control issues fixed.

You are forgetting one major factor: Betts had one year left of team control at $28M. Lowe has this left on his deal: '21 $2.5M '22 $4M '23 $8.75M '24 $10.5M '25 $11.5M That's $37M for 5 years and a $4M luxury tax hit. That's less than what Vaz's is! Also, Vaz has 2 years of team control. Years of team control are extremely valuable, especially when the contracts are set at a very low cost- like Lowe's is.

He's not a decent game-caller. Leon and previous Sox catchers got more from the same pitchers as Vaz did. Who catches? We sign or trade for someone. The trades I suggested fill 2-3 of the slots we'd have had to spend big money on to fill well, so we'd have resources left over to get a catcher who actually gets the most out of our staff. Some of the deals I suggested on the trade site involve a 3rd team and bring us a surplus catcher from their roster. We need pitching, badly. We ain't signing Bauer. We ain't trading the world for Glasnow. I know catchers are hard to find, but Vaz is not the second best catcher in MLB. 1. He has more than 345 PAs in a season just once. 2. His career OPS is .701. It's .727 the last 3 seasons. That's good for a catcher, but not great. 3. He does have the third best catcher fWAR since 2018 at 5.1, but Grandal & Realmuto have more than twice that. There were 19 catchers with an fWAR between 3 and 5.1. He's no stand alone great catcher. 4. I could go back and show the evidence of how nearly every starting pitcher did better with Leon and other Sox catchers than with Vaz. Some by 1.00 to 2.00 better ERAs! That's a huge value worth way more than catcher offense.

You'll never get Lowe, then. Your suggested deals would be laughed at in fantasy baseball. They are miles and miles away from reality in MLB.

We can't just wish for Brandon Lowe, and poof, the Rays give us him and Glasnow for Vaz. The trade value site has these values: 73.5 Glasnow 71.1 B Lowe 21.0 Vaz To get Lowe, we'd have to give up, assuming the Rays agree, 26.4 Downs 22.2 Casas 21.0 Vaz 1.5 Taylor or 50.8 Verdugo 21.0 Vaz or 34.4 Devers 21.0 Vaz 12.1 Duran 3.7 Groome Let's be real.

The site also accepted... Vaz for Nick, Anderson, Kevin Kiermaier & Josh Fleming

This trade was accepted, too: Vaz & Chavis for Nick Anderson, Ryan Yarbrough & Kevin Kiermaier

Vaz is no Mookie, either. What you are suggesting TB give us back is almost more than what LA gave us for Betts.

Galsnow & LOwwww straight up for Vaz... LOL!

It's not a small return. We get a very good defensive CF'er who has a career OPS of about 10 lower than JBJ's. Ryan Yarbrough is 28 years old and has a career ERA of 3.94 with a 1.15 WHIP. With Sale out, those numbers make him close to our ace- not that I'd call him that. Pete Fairbanks would fill a much needed slot in our pen as a solid #2. He has a career K/9 of 12.7. Yes, he walks too many people, but the 7.8 H/9 is decent. (Maybe we could get Baz, instead of one of these pitchers, but he's far away from the bigs.) Vaz is good- no doubt, but his handling of the pitching staff is suspect, at best. His offense is erratic.

JD's value is -$22M. Nice try.

Very good one!

I didn't know Chrinos had TJ, but if healthy, he and Yarbrough would easily be in the Sox rotation, if this deal were done. You are vastly over-rating Vaz or under-rating Glasnow. (BTW, Lowe was just traded to the Rangers.) The Trade Value site has Galsnow at a value of 73 and Vaz at 21. We don't have 3 Vaz's to give for him. My guess is the Rays would say no to Vaz for Kiermaier, Yarbrough & Fairbanks.