moonslav59

I'll join the war against the war on WAR.

I'd also seriously consider trading those who will be FAs after 2021 as well, but I would not just trade them for the best offer like I would JBJ & Pillar. That's not to say I may take the best offer on Perez & Barnes, if I think no offers will ever be better this winter or next summer.

No, but the clock was ticking on his health, and always is. I'd love to know if there were any offers, and how much we were expected to pay of his remaining contract.

We can pay part or most of JBJ's contract, if it can improve the return. We could also couple him (or Pillar) with Perez and/or Vaz and go for a bigger haul.

Guardians, too.

We should have traded Eovaldi while he was briefly healthy.

He's not done: next up Perez, JBJ , Pillar and Barnes. Outside moves: Vaz and JD. Next summer? ERod and Eovaldi

I'm no expert on prospects. He's ranked 21st on soxprospects.com. Physical Description: Undersized, compact frame. Solid athlete. Has some room to add additional strength, but close to maxed out physically. Hit: Starts square and utilizes a toe-tap timing device. Plus bat speed. Short, direct swing path. Approach is raw at present. Very aggressive in the early stages of his career. Looks to attack fastballs early in the count and rarely works deep counts. Pull heavy approach at present. Has shown the tendency to expand the zone against breaking balls early in his career. Potential average hit tool. Organization is tweaking his mechanics slightly from college. Power: Below-average game power. Swing lacks lift and is designed more for hard gap to gap contact than over the fence power. Run: Below-average speed. Speed plays up on the base paths due to above-average instincts. Stolen bases will not be a big part of his game. Arm: Fringe-average arm strength. More than adequate for second base, but a little light for the left-side of the infield. Defense: Profiles best as a second baseman. Not out of the realm of possibility he ends up at short, but he lacks fluidity and feel at shortstop. Average range and hands are also on the rough side for shortstop. Not the most instinctual defender, has shown the tendency to let ground balls play him rather than attack the ball. Career Notes: Drafted by the Diamondbacks in the 21st round of the 2016 draft, but honored his commitment to the University of Arizona. Participated in the Fall Instructional League in 2019. Summation: Ceiling of a second-division bat-first regular at second base. Solid chance of developing into a bench utility player. Bat will have to carry him as defensively he doesn't project to add significant value. Needs to improve defensively and refine approach.

Here's a look at the Sox players with 3 or more years of team control by age: 31 Sale Walden 29 Weber 28 P Valdez 27 Bogey Taylor Pivetta Brewer Hart Springs 26 Lin 25 Dalbec Chatham 24 Verdugo Chavis Wong Seabold Houck 23 Devers D Hernandez Downs Ward Song Duran M Wilson Feltman 22 Groome Murphy Zefrjahn Cannon 21 Mata H Potts Arauz Bello Liu 20 Casas Jimenez J Rosario Decker J Rodriguez 19 Lugo A Ramirez A Flores 18 Yorke Bonaci 17 Jordan

The Tigers also had way more dead weight contracts and no Devers or Bogey.

MLB.com has this... 1. Kumar Rocker, RHP, Vanderbilt Rocker was ranked No. 23 on our Draft Top 200 in 2018 as a Georgia prepster with a ton of arm strength. There were command issues and that, along with a strong commitment to Vandy, pushed him to the 38th round. A dominant freshman year and strong start to his sophomore year, with the same high octane fastball-slider combination but with better command, makes him the clear choice atop this list. 2. Jack Leiter, RHP, Vanderbilt No. 33 on the 2019 Draft Top 200 as a New Jersey prepster with an advanced feel to pitch, Al’s kid was taken in the 20th round by the Yankees last year, but everyone knew he was headed to Vandy. He pitched in just four games before the shutdown, but quickly vaulted to the top of the 2021 list as a Draft-eligible sophomore with a fastball that averaged around 92 mph and touched 96, to go along with good feel for a curve, slider and changeup. 3. Brady House, 3B/RHP, Winder-Barrow HS (Ga.) Depending on who you talk to, House is either a power-hitting future third baseman or a right-handed pitching prospect with a ton of arm strength. At the plate, he has 60-grade raw power with good feel to hit. House plays shortstop now but will likely need to slide over at the next level. On the mound, the Tennessee recruit has a 92-95 mph fastball with a good changeup and decent breaking ball. 4. Jud Fabian, OF, Florida Fabian had a very strong Cape Cod League last summer as an 18-year-old (he enrolled at Florida a year early) and it carried over into a strong start to his 2020 campaign. He makes a ton of hard contact and the power started showing up on the Cape; that continued this spring, with more to come. He has good speed and should be able to play center long-term. 5. Christian Little, RHP, Christian Brothers HS (Mo.) Little, who is one of many top high school players at this week’s Perfect Game National Showcase, is a super-athletic and projectable right-hander committed to Vanderbilt. He has an exciting three-pitch mix with a lively fastball up to 94 mph, a solid breaking ball with good depth and a very good feel for a changeup. 6. Braylon Bishop, OF, Arkansas HS (Ark.) The Arkansas commit might be the most athletic and toolsy player in the class and will show off those tools at PG National. The center fielder has incredible speed that will work on both sides of the ball. Bishop has outstanding bat speed from the left side of the plate with the ability to impact the ball and the potential to grow into excellent power. 7. Matt McLain, SS/OF, UCLA In 2018, McLain was ranked No. 54 on our Draft Top 200 and was taken at the end of the first round by the D-backs, but he opted to head to UCLA. After an All-Star turn in the Cape Cod League, his bat seemed to take a big step forward this spring. He’s always had a knack for making contact, but it was louder this year, with more extra-base thump, to go along with his plus speed and the potential for him to play up the middle somewhere defensively. 8. Luke Leto, SS/RHP, Portage Central HS (Mich.) The LSU recruit will get the chance to show off at the plate and on the mound at PG National and might be the best high schooler from Michigan since Drew Henson created buzz back in the 1990s. He’s a left-handed hitter with the ability to drive the ball to all fields. His speed and athleticism make him a threat on the basepaths and he has the actions to stick at shortstop. He also has a low-90s fastball with a good hard breaking ball on the mound. 9. Adrian Del Castillo, C, Miami Del Castillo snuck into the back end of our Top 200 in 2018, at No. 198, as a Miami area prepster with a strong commitment to attend his hometown school. Since he joined the Hurricanes, he’s done nothing but hit from the left side -- for average and power and with more walks than strikeouts. Whether he can stick behind the plate remains to be seen, but he’s also shown he can capably handle an outfield corner. 10. Tyree Reed, OF, American Canyon HS (Calif.) This Northern California standout is committed to attend Oregon State should the 2021 Draft not work out. The left-handed hitter has long limbs and a projectable frame, one that should continue to add strength and allow him to grow into even more power with excellent bat speed. Reed runs well and is a threat on the basepaths while also showing the ability to play center field long-term. 11. Izaac Pacheco, SS/3B, Friendswood HS (Tex.) Another PG National participant, Pacheco has long stood out because of the damage he can do from the left side of the plate. There’s a ton of present, and even more future, power with excellent bat speed. He has smooth and athletic actions defensively, with plenty of arm, giving him the chance to play short. If the Texas A&M recruit outgrows shortstop, he could be an outstanding fit at third base with the offensive profile to match. 12. Alex Binelas, 3B, Louisville The Wisconsin high school ranks produced first-rounder Jarred Kelenic in 2018, but it also included Binelas, who was a 35th-round pick of the Nationals before heading to Louisville. He put up excellent power numbers as a freshman, though he played in just two games this spring because of a hand injury. The pop from the left side is legit; whether he shows it off as a third baseman, where he’s played almost exclusively at Louisville, remains to be seen. 13. Marcelo Mayer, SS, Eastlake HS (Calif.) This Southern Cal commit is the best player in the San Diego area for 2021 and the top prep prospect in all of Southern California. He has a pretty left-handed swing and makes a ton of hard contact, with power to come. The 6-foot-3 infielder has all the tools to play shortstop long-term, with good actions and hands to go along with a strong arm. 14. Gunnar Hoglund, RHP, Ole Miss Ranked No. 66 on our 2018 Draft Top 200, Hoglund was selected in Competitive Balance Round A by the Pirates that June as a bit of a pop-up guy from the Florida high school ranks. He scuffled as a freshman, but was dominant out of the gate as a sophomore, with a fastball that touches the mid-90s with very good breaking stuff and a changeup that has improved. 15. Jaden Hill, RHP, LSU Tall and athletic, Hill was No. 78 on our Draft Top 200 in 2018 as a high schooler who was a two-sport star and was drafted by the Cardinals in the 38th round before heading to LSU. Based on pure stuff and upside, he belongs higher on this list, with a low-90s fastball, an outstanding changeup and an improving slider. But he was shut down with an elbow strain in his freshman year and while he was dominant this spring, it was in a relief role and he’ll have to show he’s healthy to move up boards in 2021. Prospects365 has Hill going 7th. Throughthefence 8th. Bleacher report not in the first round.

Maybe it's just "hyperbole." LOL.

He's basically saying the Sox won't be relevant until 2024, since Devers has arbs through 2023 (3 more).

So, Bloom's "major" acquisitions: Verdugo- Trade Downs- Trade Wong- Trade Potts- Trade Rosario- Trade Pivetta- Trade Seabold- Trade Springs- Trade Matt Hall- Trade A Bautista- Trade M Perez- FA K Pillar- FA J Peraza- FA Moreland- FA Arauz- Rule 5 Yorke- Draft Jordan-Draft Drohan- Draft Wu-Yelland- Draft Miguel Betts- IFA Enderso Lira- IFA Luis Ravelo- IFA Chih-Jung Liu IFA J Osich- Waivers Am I missing any big names? (Some of these are far from "big.")

I think we got better than most expected. I wonder where they will be slotted in the Sox top 20 list. Maybe this? soxprospects.com with my placements: 1. Casa 2. Downs 3. Mata 4. Song 5. Dalbec 6. Jimenez 7. Duran 8. Groome 9. Ward 10. Potts 11. Houck 12. Yorke 13. Lugo 14. Rosario 15. Jordan 16. Chatham 17. A Ramirez 18. Murphy 19. Wong 20. Zeferjahn My top 15: 1. Casas 2. Downs 3. Mata 4. Ward 5. Jimenez 6. Dalbec 7. Song 8. Potts 9. Lugo 10. Groome 11. Wong 12. Duran 13. Jordan 14. Rosario 15. Yorke/ Houck

I guess there is interest in JBJ, too, so yes- all of 'em! Barnes, too.

Agreed. They will likely keep him in the minors until the service time date is past. (He may not have earned the spot by opening day, anyway.)

Could be. Add Chavis as a platoon 1B/2B, if he's not traded, soon.

Bye bye Marco!

MLBTR: The Padres have acquired first baseman Mitch Moreland from the Red Sox. Prospects Hudson Potts and Jeisson Rosario are headed to Boston in return. Moreland, 34, has been in Boston since the start of 2017. On the whole, he’s been a little better than average at the plate, combining for a .251/.332/.471 line (108 wRC+). He has been on an absolute tear this season, though, blasting eight home runs in 79 plate appearances en route to a .328/.430/.746 slash. Moreland has always hit the ball hard, generally avoided strikeouts and drawn his fair share of walks. Like incumbent Padres first baseman Eric Hosmer, Moreland’s a left-handed bat, but he could complement right-handed hitting DH Ty France. Thanks in part to strong contributions from Hosmer and France, San Diego’s lineup has been among the best in baseball this season. Moreland is owed the balance of his $925K prorated salary and comes with an affordable $3MM club option for 2021. In exchange, Boston picks up a pair of well-regarded prospects. Both Potts and Rosario were included among Baseball America’s top 30 Padre farmhands midseason. Potts, a 21-year-old third baseman, draws praise for his big-time raw power and comes with a first-round pedigree, but some scouts question his bat-to-ball skills. He performed well in the low minors, but scuffled a bit last season, when he hit .227/.290/.406 with a 28.6% strikeout rate in Double-A. In fairness, Potts was very young for that level, and the Texas League’s an extremely pitcher-friendly environment regardless. Rosario, 20, was a high-priced international signee from the Pads’ vaunted 2016 J2 class. He draws ample praise for his athleticism and center field defense, although it’s up in the air how much impact he’ll make offensively despite seemingly exceptional plate discipline. Rosario has topped out at the High-A level, where he hit .242/.372/.314 with three home runs in 525 plate appearances. All told, it’s a pretty strong haul for Boston, especially since Moreland’s fantastic start hadn’t helped propel them past an 11-22 record. That said, roster rules help explain why the Padres were willing to part with both players. Each needs to be added to the 40-man this offseason or else be exposed to the Rule V draft. The Pads, who continue to progress their swath of strong prospects to the high minors and above, have a seeming roster crunch incoming. The Red Sox, on the other hand, don’t have a particularly well-regarded farm system and can more easily find roster space for Potts and Rosario this offseason. To clear immediate space for the prospects in their 60-man player pool, Boston released infielder Marco Hernández. The 27-year-old amassed a .265/.300/.342 line in parts of three seasons in Boston.

Rosario may end up being the defensive CF'er we need but not for a few years. Potts may end up at 1B and might not be ready for a couple years. I like the deal.

MLBTR: Moreland, 34, has been in Boston since the start of 2017. On the whole, he’s been a little better than average at the plate, combining for a .251/.332/.471 line (108 wRC+). He has been on an absolute tear this season, though, blasting eight home runs in 79 plate appearances en route to a .328/.430/.746 slash. Moreland has always hit the ball hard, generally avoided strikeouts and drawn his fair share of walks. Like incumbent Padres first baseman Eric Hosmer, Moreland’s a left-handed bat, but he could complement right-handed hitting DH Ty France. Thanks in part to strong contributions from Hosmer and France, San Diego’s lineup has been among the best in baseball this season. Moreland is owed the balance of his $925K prorated salary and comes with an affordable $3MM club option for 2021. In exchange, Boston picks up a pair of well-regarded prospects. Both Potts and Rosario were included among Baseball America’s top 30 Padre farmhands midseason. Potts, a 21-year-old third baseman, draws praise for his big-time raw power and comes with a first-round pedigree, but some scouts question his bat-to-ball skills. He performed well in the low minors, but scuffled a bit last season, when he hit .227/.290/.406 with a 28.6% strikeout rate in Double-A. In fairness, Potts was very young for that level, and the Texas League’s an extremely pitcher-friendly environment regardless. Rosario, 20, was a high-priced international signee from the Pads’ vaunted 2016 J2 class. He draws ample praise for his athleticism and center field defense, although it’s up in the air how much impact he’ll make offensively despite seemingly exceptional plate discipline. Rosario has topped out at the High-A level, where he hit .242/.372/.314 with three home runs in 525 plate appearances. All told, it’s a pretty strong haul for Boston, especially since Moreland’s fantastic start hadn’t helped propel them past an 11-22 record. That said, roster rules help explain why the Padres were willing to part with both players. Each needs to be added to the 40-man this offseason or else be exposed to the Rule V draft. The Pads, who continue to progress their swath of strong prospects to the high minors and above, have a seeming roster crunch incoming. The Red Sox, on the other hand, don’t have a particularly well-regarded farm system and can more easily find roster space for Potts and Rosario this offseason. To clear immediate space for the prospects in their 60-man player pool, Boston released infielder Marco Hernández. The 27-year-old amassed a .265/.300/.342 line in parts of three seasons in Boston.

The Padres have acquired first baseman Mitch Moreland from the Red Sox. Prospects Hudson Potts and Jeisson Rosario are headed to Boston in return.

Sorry. My eyes are failing me. My bad.

I'm almost at this point, but I think we can compete by 2022, so Devers and Bogey can stay. I's listen to offers, but I'd have to be blown away on Devers. ERod could be traded next summer, as could Eovaldi. I'd deal JD, Vaz, Barnes, JBJ, Pillar and Moreland for the best offers, unless I think I can get more for the 2 year players, this winter or next summer.