moonslav59

If we are over the tax line at the deadline and have to decide to stay over or get under, they may decide to become buyers. I don't mean trading promising prospects for RP'ers, but they could get salary dump players for next to nothing. The extra 2021 tax would be slkight as their contracts would be pro-rated, and being over the line by $1M or $19M doesn't change the reset clock. My point is that if we look to be WC contenders but not ring contenders, I'd hope we'd become a seller not a buyer, but that would be hard for fans to swallow. Harder than not signing JBJ, now.

I was thinking Sawamura got $3M x 2 not $3M/2. My bad.

JBJ would likely just cost $3M more than Marwin on the 2021 tax line. Yes, I can see Munoz being better than Marwin, as well as Chavis and Arroyo. 2018-2020 .733 Munoz (555 PAs) .728 Chavis (540) .719 Arroyo (170) .713 Marwin (1214)

Maybe his inherited genes help.

Agreed, but Cordero has so much talent, he was worth a shot, and may end up being a nice player. I'm also thinking that since we paid $2.8M of Beni's deal, a PTBNL from KC may be pretty promising, too. (Lee was a nice piece, though, and I wonder why we didn't like him enough to keep him.)

Yes, and why is it shocking or surprising? He broke the unwritten code on MLG owners.He pays the price.

Being a Red Sox fan is not about loving their announcers. I loved Jerry as a player. What was not to love? He's a giggling clown as a commentator, and I never saw what others have seen. He was okay, for a while, but I grew tired of the same antics.

That's all there is too it, and I'd have thought those who think our culture has become too namby pamby would have seen this for what it is. The guy exposed the owners to big trouble, right before negotiations open. The union has been arguing all along that owners intentionally hold back star prospects to gain another year of service. The owners have denied this over and over. They can't do that anymore, because Mathers exposed them all. I'm glad he said what he said. He spoke the truth, and the truth, these days can be very toxic. Telling the truth is a fireable offense, in these times. We shouldn't be surprised or shocked.

What question are you talking about? Who is "Remdog?" Jerry Remy? I'm not a fan of his and never was, except as a player.

I like how our rotation is setting up. Sure, there are almost as many big question marks as slots in a rotation, but many other teams "ahead of us" have as many Q's as we do. We start the season with... ERod Eovaldi Richards Pivetta Perez (Maybe Houck wins a slot or starts in AAA or as a long man in the pen, but he's there if one of the big Q's starts the season on the IL.) The, there's Chris Sale (June? July? Early August?) We have some promising starter depth beyond Houck with Whitlock, Seabold, Mata, Gossett and Weber. When you look at who we started, last year, one could argue, when including returning pitchers from injury, our rotation improved the most in MLB- on paper. 34of our 60 games started,last year were started by pitchers who will get zero starts, this year! 7 Godley 6 Mazza 5 Weber 4 Brewer 3 Hart 2 Kickham, Triggs 1 Brasier, Brice, Osich, Hall, Lever

Had we not signed Marwin or Sawamura, signing JBJ could have been much easier, financially.

Maybe you're right. We could easily sell off a few pieces at the deadline to get under the tax line, if it looks like we have no chance as a ring. My main concern is this: I'm firmly in the camp of the playoffs are NOT a crap shoot. I'm more interested in our long term outlook being brighter, and that includes the finances and the liklihood of needing to reset one year later, if we don't go over, this year that to go all out to barely make the last wild card slot and either miss out of lose early in the playoffs. I like our chances way better in 2023 and 2024 than 2021. Fans might get really upset, if we are just a few games ahead or behind the last wild card slot at the deadline, and trade a healthy ERod and/or Barnes to get under the tax line, even though I'd probably be for the idea. I do think there is a slight chance this team puts it all together, like 2013, and nearly everyone is healthy and doing well. Sale comes back and looks strong, and we look like we could be serious October contenders, then, I'd be fine with staying over the line and maybe even becoming buyers. Leaving that door open is a good plan. I'm not all that pessimistic about 2021. My issue is what we do, if we look pretty good but not great, and we end up buying when we should have sold.

We did need a closer, and I agree on the Logan Allen aspect, but to me it was more about Kimbrel making free agent-type money, at the time. It was like trading 4 prospects to sign a FA to top closer dollars. I'm also a "moneyball" believer (for the most part) and think overpaying for a closer is not good policy. (That changed, quickly, as closer money sky-rocketed right after the signing.) We can look in hindsight and say Guerra and Espinoza amounted to jack, but to me, it wasn't about hoarding prospects vs trading them: it was a about a balance. I'd do the Sale trade 100 times over and over. I'm not saying my ideas were any better than DD's. I wanted us to trade some of the pieces used to get Kimbrel, Pom, Thornburg to get Quintana from the CWS. I'm not sure that would have worked out, too well. He went from an ERA+ of 115 with the CWS to 101 with the Cubs. (He was younger than Sale and had one more year of team control.)

There is no way of knowing until he gets back into the routine. There is anecdotal evidence that some people who feel like they have fully recovered and are at 100%, suddenly have a relapse of fatigue or even worse symptoms. There is also some evidenceof longterm nerve or heart damage, but there are also plenty of examples where people have had no longer term affects, so far. He feels fine. I'm going to try and be optimistic on this one. I hope for the best as our nation just reached a very sad milestone.

Every team must be in on "the secret."

Glad you're not a teacher.

$5M/1 was what I said I'd go, but I never expected it might be close to what he ends up getting. I wouldn't mind getting him, if we didn't go over the tax line to do it, but I'd also like to keep some type of pool money for the deadline. That would mean we'd have to trade some salary to do it. I don't see this happening.

First 2 ABs in college- same inning: 2 grand slams... https://www.huffpost.com/entry/caleb-pendleton-two-grand-slams_n_6033e8d1c5b67c32961f910a

I could see 120 or 170-most likely in between.

Brice was on pace for about 50 IP, last year. 55 is basically the same, but yes, if we can get those 50 from a better pitcher, the better off we should be.

I loved the Sale trade. I thought the Kimbrel & Pompom deals were overkill, to some extent. The Thornburg and Smith trades both sucked in hindsight, but made sense at the time.

I think this might be what is wanted: 1. Verdugo RF 2. Bogey SS 3. Renfroe v L RF /Cordero v R CF 4. Devers 3B 5. JD DH 6. Dalbec 3B 7. Renfroe v L/ Cordero v R or Arroyo/Chavis/Gonzalez 2B 8. Vaz C 9. EHern 2B (CF)

We could easily see 550 more IP than 2020 from ERod, Richards, Sale, Eovaldi, Pivetta & Houck. In the pen, we could see 200 more IP than 2020 from Ottavino, Andriese, Sawamura, DHern, Taylor and Barnes.

They might just be quarantining him out of caution. Plus, it's not like he's the key to our success..

He just resigned. The player's union is eating this up.