moonslav59

STOP! Please! I posted several numbers, one being fWAR. Most showed him to be mediocre, some a bit above average and fWAR showing top 20%. From that I determined he was a good pitcher from 2009-2020. You and 700 bring up nobody wanting him in 2021, so freakin' what? I never said Porcello was in a class with HOF'er. I said he was good or very good not mediocre. Stop pretending I said things I did not. I'm fine with people calling him mediocre. Stop the Porcello talk. What's the use?

The PTBNL is not important. It's my opinion Richards may be viewed as a better pitcher than a current starting pitcher on a contending team that does not want to shed prospects to upgrade. We might even try a deal like Ottavino. We could give up a prospect we do not plan on protecting, this winter- something like Potts, Richards and cash for nothing. The money saved allows us to upgrade our rotation and maybe 1B while keeping the budget in line. I'm not saying it will be easy to find a taker for Richards or that Bloom is even thinking about the idea. We have seen TB be buyers and sellers at the same time, so I do not think the idea is all that crazy.

Bloom acquired and traded several players with TB. Also, I'm not saying they will trade Richards or Perez, but I hope they trade Richards, move Perez to the pen, and acquire a decent SP'er and maybe a 1Bman, if the budget allows them to.

I never put him in a category with HOF pitchers. You keep misrepresenting my position. Let's just stop the nonsense and move on.

Well, he didn't. Last 8 starts: IP ER 5.0 3 5.1 4 4.0 4 1.2 4 5.2 5 5.0 2 5.0 3 5.2 5 One decent start out of 8. If it goes 1 in the last 9, how much longer do we go?

Picking and choosing when Dalbec plays could help a lot. Cordero or even Kike can play 1B, when Bobby Dee sits. I do think we trade for a cheap 1Bman, and Chavis gets traded or demoted.

40+ IP .517 Wu-Yelland (Sal) .571 Blalock (Sal) .571 Cobb (Sal) .609 Crawford (Por) .621 DiValerio (Salem) .628 Walter (Gre>Sal) .635 Bello (Gre>Por) .646 Reyes (Por) .658 Winckowski (Por-leads pitchers in IP with 69) .685 Kwiatkowski (Salem) .688 Espinal (Wor) .690 Spacke (Gre) .698 Groome (Gre) Other notables (under 40 IP, unless noted) .568 Scherff .650 Bryant .694 Ort .755 Drohan (48) .760 Feltman .775 German (54) .781 Walden .784 Gonsalves (58) .786 Murphy (63) .807 Politi (59) .831 Wallace

Is this Garrett's last chance start?

Chavis actually looked good on defense in 2020, too, but Marwin will beat him out, when healthy.

Let's say we have Arroyo healthy and do not trade for a 1Bman. We might see this rotation. (Bogey needs some time off to heal his wrist.) Vaz & Plawecki catch JD, Renfroe, Devers and Dugo play FT (maybe get a rest every 15-20 games.) That leaves this: 1B: Dalbec 4-5 of 10 games, Kike 5-6 of 10 2B: Arroyo 8 of 10, Kike 2 of 10 CF: Duran 8 of 10, Kike 2 of 10 SS: Bogey 8 of 10 for a while, then back to FT/ Arroyo or Kike at SS 2 of 10 games. Basically everyone but Dalbec plays 8-9 games out of 10.

I'm not sure Marwin and Arroyo will be back in August. I think both need to return to possibly squeeze Duran out.

Marwin is Cora's guy. That's who it will be, assuming he's healthy. Depending on 12 or 13 pitchers, our bench will be: Plawecki Arroyo or Duran (the other starts) Marwin If we go 4 bench players, I think it will likely be Santana, but I'd prefer Cordero then Chavis.

I could see us getting Santana. Someone like Cron might be a fall back.

I'd trade Richards with some cash for scraps. Save a little money. Trade some prospects we don't think fit our long term plans for a a decent SP'er (better than Perez/Richards). If we have some cash left over, try and pick up a cheap 1Bman that can improve on Dalbec or platoon with him. I think we can do all this and stay under the tax line, but going over would not hurt us, too much. (We might also trade Perez for scraps, save some more money, and trade for a RP'er.)

Yes, we aren't trading JD or Dugo, but his point was who would you trade before the other. With JD's contract and contract uncertainty, and Dugo's years of team control, I'd have to agree on Dugo. Both will be here all this season.

Starters will cost more, even salary dump types, but that's what we need.

Ottavino clsoes Whiltock and Houck are the 8th inning set up men, in this scenario. Maybe Valdez can take on their previous roles.

I'm not sure our pen needs tweaking. With Valdez and Houck back in the fold and Sawamura coming back at some point, we may be fine, here. Plus, when Sale comes back, a starter will be pushed to the pen or maybe even traded. I think our biggest need is SP'er with 1B a second priority. Even with Sale added, the questions surrounding ERod and his head aches and COVID recovery linger, but perhaps the biggest worry is what we expect from Perez & Richards (and to some extent Pivetta) going forward. Here are the pessimistic, cherry-picked numbers on these 3 starters: After first 11 starts (1/3 season) Perez 5.94 ERA/ 1.003 OPS Against in last 9 starts (3.09/.658 first 11 starts) (1.98/.587 in 7 starts 4/24 to 6/7) Richards 6.99 ERA/.990 OPS Against in last 8 starts (3.75/.749 first 11 starts) Pivetta 5.44 ERA/ .853 OPS Againstin last 9 starts) (3.77/.657 in first 11 starts) I think we can stick with Pivetta as our #4 or #5, but I think Richards and/or Perez should be demoted to the pen or traded to make room for Sale and a pitcher we acquire by trade. I'm not for trimming our pitcher choices: I'm for improving them. We should not count on Sale as being our ace in August or September. We should cover our bases with ERod. We should improve on Richards and/or Perez. I'm not thinking we will shoot for the moon on someone like Scherzer or Berrios, but we should be able to get someone who is an upgrade over the recent productivity we've gotten fro Richards and Perez. Reaching for some sort of bright spot on these two, I can come up with this: 5.17/.824 Richards in his last 3 starts. 3.55/.845 Perez in his last 7 starts, but 4.74/.937 last 4 starts. The deadline is 4 pm on the 30th. How much more will we find out about these two, before it's too late? We should make a move to replace at least one of these two- maybe both. Putting one in the pen may help, but who get's squeezed out? Houck could start, but he looks like a great pen piece. Our 100% Healthy Staff: Sale Eovaldi ERod Pivetta Perez Richards Barnes Ottavino Whitlock Houck Taylor DHern Valdez Sawamura (14th pitcher) Rios Andriese Workman Bazardo Brasier Seabold If we add a pitcher without dealing one, who goes? I realize someone may be on the IL, but it looks like we need to find a place for 2-3 pitchers, once we add Sale and a traded pitcher.

How did we not know this before drafting him?

Moving goalposts again. Just stop. Let’s get back to the 2021 Sox.

Why do you assume I don’t look at the charts? I don’t have to agree with everything fangraphs and br print, lord knows you don’t, otherwise you’d more respect Porcello’s 19th place ranking. We both have different views. I’m not inventing my own way of rating anyone. I’ve always looked in context.

Can you try to answer my question?

When you say below average, I look to see if there are about as many pitchers ahead as behind. Only counting 150 starters a year is being generous to all the SPers that were worse- so bad they never reached enough inning to qualify. When you compare him to other starters of his era, he was average in some categories and above average in others and top tier in fwAR. Average does not mean 2 out of 3 pitchers are worse than you. IMO. We’ve beaten this subject to death.

If anyone ever gives up on a Sox game again, I won't know what to say. These guys are amazing! Valdez was a big key, and it's great to see Verdugo start heating up. Remember when we used to say this team had 4 good hitters and nobody else? Let's see Verdugo make it 4 again, and Kike make it 5, though a tough night for him. This season is magical.

Houck can be a monster in the pen. I think Gray is better than Richards and Perez, but it's not a sure bet he'll be better the last 2 months. If ERod needs to go on the IL, Gray would be a big help.