moonslav59

It starts with Cashman not being held accountable and Cashman not holding Boone accountable. I think, over time, a team reflects its owners.

Your statements make no sense. You are all over the map. You never answer why you said "HR% most of the times are fluke outcomes" and how that relates to Porcello and his career HR%. You went on to explain how you were talking over small sample size, which explains nothing and further muddies your point. I've been in this discussion from the start and all the way through. Saying I don't understand what the discussion is about is not just wrong, but it adds nothing to my point about you not answering my question. You never came close to answering what the hell HR%s and fluke outcomes means or how it pertains to the discussion about Porcello being mediocre or good.

Sale looked pretty good today, except for the 6 hits in 3.2IP (1 HR and 3 DBLs). 64 pitches 46 strikes 9 Ks out of 11 outs! 0 BBs Maybe one more start might be best, but I still think he's better now, than Richards or Perez.

YES! That's how I see it. We may even have to pitch in some cash to offset some of their salaries, but we'd still cut some salary. The return is not important. The roster slot opened makes us not have to demote DHern or Sawamura. We still end up adding a pitcher in another trade- a pitcher better than Richards or Perez. Sale replaces Workman New pitcher replaces Richards/Perez. I only mentioned Sawamura, because I think he has trade value, and I'd rather have DHern than him.

I'll take 64 from Sale over 84 from Perez or Richards. Plus, it might be up to 75-85 after this next start. Number of pitches by Richards and Perez, their last 5 starts: Richards: 54, 94, 92, 85, 82 Perez: 67, 86, 79, 73, 62 (80 today) My guess is 70-75 pitches from Sale gets us more IP than 80-85 by Perez or Richards.

Exactly. He was already way over the intended pitch count. Look how many pitchers have done very poorly, this year, after a no hitter or near no hitter. Managers know what they are doing, even if we don't see it.

I think we do, too. I don't think it will be a big name player. It might even be a platoon player. I also would not be surprised to see Bloom pull a Rays move by trading Richards, Perez or Sawamura to cut salary and allow us to deal for a better pitcher and 1Bman. We may end up with a roster squeeze when Sale and Sawamura are ready, and I'm not even looking at Andriese, Brasier and Seabold. Sale Eovaldi ERod Pivetta Perez Richards Barnes Ottavino Whitlock Houck Taylor DHern That's 12 and all deserve to stay on the 26. If we go with 13, it's Sawamura. Bye bye to Andriese- DFA'd- no options Bye by to Workman- DFA'd- no options Bye bye to Valdez (demoted with 2 options) Bye bye to Rios (demoted with one option) No Brasier or Seabold If we trade for a pitcher and go with 12 pitchers, what 2 pitchers go? If we go with 13, one has to go (DHern demoted, really?) We could be buyers and sellers. Trade Richards, Perez or Sawamura and save some money. The return prospect might be unpromising. Then use the money saved to trade for 2 salary dump players: P and 1B.

NY Post headline: "Fork Inserted!"

I wouldn't say either game was won or lost on those managerial choices.

You answered a question that was not mine. The fact is a 1.1 HR/9 rate is not bad at all. In fact, it's okay, and your whole point about HR/FB being the predictor of HRs and some sort of major indicator of how good a pitcher is is full of holes. Chris freakin' Sale has a 12.0% HR/FB%, and so do a ton of good to great pitchers who have that or worse, like Trevor Bauer Strasburg Beckett Sony Gray Sabathia Darvish Nola Keuchel 14.6 The worst 3 out of 153 are... 16.2% Tanaka 15.2% R Ray (a guy people want us to trade for now) 14.6% K Gibson (a guy people want us to trade for, now)

No hitter, then 5 straight hits by the 6 through 1 hitters! BAM! Thank you, mam!

Thunder Magic!

It's final: Tito's Guardians beat the Rays!

the 2-5 slots went 0-14. The bottom of order is oodles better than earlier in the season.

Even more dramatic. This just ended the Yankee season.

I said he was the best a couple years back and almost got banned from the site on the blasphemy clause.

Never give up on this team! N E V E R !

LOL. At least you don't say he sucks.

I think you have a valid point, but isn't this overkill?

Bottom order thunder!

It certainly has nothing to do with 2021, unless we sign him.

I'd say ERA- and ERA+ more so, but basically, yes. The ERA, ERA- and ERA+ show Porcello to be a decent #3 or #4, same with WHIP. Other measures, especially those that place great value on IP show him to be a solid #2 or #3. (fWAR actually shows he could be a lower #1 starter in his era (top 30 SP'er). I think some of this debate is actually semantics. What do I consider "good" or "very good" vs what others do. I'm fine with that. I get the argument that pitching lots of mediocre innings should not add value, but I think he was better than mediocre, and mediocre sure is better than crappy, which is usually what you get when you have a SP'er not give you many innings. To me, Porcello was good to maybe very good- not great, not elite. He was either a low #2 SP'er or a top #3. That's good in my bookand many stats back that up. Even going by ERA, ERA- and ERA+ and comparing him to the all the starters of his era, he was still good. I can see people calling his ERA mediocre, and I would not say they are wrong, but there are a ton of crappy pitchers out there and not that many batter than Rick. IMO, all terms like mediocre, good and very good are relative terms. You are relating Porcello to the pitchers of his era and determining where he fits in the spectrum. Most stats and metrics show him to be average to good and some even very good. Put them all together, and he was good.

Think what you want, but you can't answer simple and direct questions. I've been in the discussion from the start.

Kike had about 90 innings at 1B. I was surprised they moved Arroyo. Maybe Kike plays 1B, despite it being a waste of his defense.

Agreed, and I think we have some good assets that we cannot protect, next season, unless we only sign 1-2 FAs. I think Bloom will identify a 2-3 good players that may not be part of our long term plans and trade them.