moonslav59

I'm not sure we keep 4 catchers on the 40 man: Vaz, Plawecki, Wong and R Hernandez. RH's stock fell, this season, but he offers more future hopes than Plawecki or Vaz. I think we trade or non tender one (not Wong.)

It wasn't hard to "hit like Vaz," this season. I think $7M is too much. I'd trade Vaz or don't offer the option, if nobody will trade for him. I really like Schwarber, too, but it's a luxury I don't think we can afford to divert funding to.

Here’s a look back at last year’s signings and additions: $Millions 10 Richards 8 Ottavino 7 Kike x 2 6 Perez 3.5 Andriese 3.1 Renfroe 3 Marwin 1.8 Santana 1.2 Sawamura -2.8 Beni We spent a little over $40M, and people accuses Henry of going cheap. We picked up some more salary at the deadline. This was 9 players plus 3 at the deadline and Shaw and Iggy, later. (minus Andriese). If we spend $35-40M, this winter on just 4-5 players, we should be able to get higher quality. It will be $7-10M per player not $4-5M average per player, last winter. As you can see from last winter, Bloom did not "hit" too well with his biggest additions, so let's hope he does better in that area, this winter. My projected 40 man roster, opening day: Vaz Wong RHernandez (or Plawecki) Dalbec Casas Arroyo _____ (Iggy?) Arauz Bogaerts Downs Devers Verdugo JD Kike Duran Renfroe Eovaldi _______ Sale _______ (ERod?) Pivetta Seabold Groome Crawford (5) Winckowski (5) Bello (5) Santos (5) Mata Houck Whitlock Barnes Taylor ______ Brasier DHern Sawamura Davis Valdez Bazardo Feltman (5)

I am not for adding and OF'er or bringing Schwarber back, unless we have a trade in place (JD or Renfroe). I want pitching and almost all of our spending on pitching (and maybe Iggy.) I don't see any 5+ year player that fits the Red Sox profile. There are SS's, some who could play 2B for a year, that are worth 5+ year deals, but that is not a high need area, unless we trade Bogey.

Holding a bad year from a very early age against a player yet to reach prime is not really fair. While career numbers do carry weight, I like to look at last 2-3 years as a better indicator of who a player is. Looking at their age matters, too.

It's these possible 2-4 year deals maybe Bloom ends up settling on- assuming he is avoiding large and long deals, this winter.

With the money saved, we also got a lot of nice players. (One could also choose the ones that did not do well, and the trade does not look as good.)

I was actually trying my hardest to identify the top 4-5 pitchers with at least a smidgeon of success. I don't think Ranaudo qualifies.

I had him in there, but I must have deleted him.

Even if we dump JD, Bogey and Vaz, I think we’d have $70-80M not $100. We need better pitching than the unreliable Syndergaard

I’d stack Workman, Barnes, Beeks, Weiland and Wilson up against any other team’s top pitching prospects over the last 14 years!

We could not pay Vazquez’s or trade him, but the $28M you quote is very close to what we had and spent last winter. This assumes we won’t go over the tax line for the third straight season- something we have done before under Henry. The big difference is this: last year we spent all that money on 8 players, and this winter, about the same money will likely be spent on 4-5 players. That should produce more quality but it’s not quarantined. Some of Bloom’s largest contracts were not his best signings. Here’s a look back at last year’s signings and additions: $Millions 10 Richards 8 Ottavino 7 Kike x 2 6 Perez 3.5 Andriese 3 Marwin 1.8 Santana 1.2 Sawamura -2.8 Beni

My problem with your idea is not about adding speed or not, it's about spending precious resources at 3B rather than a higher need area. If we can get a speedster leadoff hitter that plays 2B or OF, then I'll be more on board. My position is and almost always is we need to add pitching, pitching, pitching. Quality over quantity. To me, we only need to bring back Iggy, and I'll be okay with the everyday players. I'd like to see our defense improve, but it might be too complicated to do it, this winter.

Does anyone think we can trade Vaz and his $7M option for something/anything of value? If not, and we want to trade for Contreras, we should not give Vaz the option.

We could have run faster on our grand slams, too.

Exactly, but sometimes, the answer might be yes, we are better off paying $30M than losing this player, and it is hard to replace his value with $30M spent on others. I think Betts was close to that. Devers might be, if not for his defense.

Our fastest player is not Vaz. We won one year with a PR that was fast. I'd like to see some speed in our OF that also improves our defense. I do think speed is a priority- just not close to #1. We also won all our 4 rings by having 2 very good SP'ers. We don't have that now. One can argue Eovaldi is not as good as any of our previous champion aces and maybe even not better than those winning team's #2.

We have about $40M to spend and stay even with last year. Price comes off the books, next year, along with Eovaldi, JD and others. There are numerous ways we can keep him, but to me, we should not at $30M/ yr.

Obviously, if I think it's fair, I'll be okay with him signing elsewhere. I think we all agreed the lowball offer to Lester was insulting, especially when we did not come back quickly with a better offer. Why the need to turn every point into some epic personal battle. If some fans think we low-balled Bogey and they stop being fans, but most think we offered a fair value, to me, that's good enough. If it's not okay with you, then maybe you and others can go root for another team.

Speed seems to be less and less important, but I do think it would be nice to add some, but I think we have way more important needs, and trading for Ramirez would cost us several top young prospects.

I'd love to have him, but 3B? Actually, on 7/31, we had a huge hole at 1B, and playing Kike at 2B looked like it might be needed- opening up an OF slot.

Do you really think 3B is our most pressing need, or is Jose "Santana" Ramirez your son?

The mea culpas by others were telling.

My guess is we make him an offer to extend. If he turns it down, we'll have to decide to trade him or offer him a QO. If he becomes a FA and we offer him fair market value, but someone else overpays, fine with me.

I haven't heard any. We know Bogey will want a big payday and likely will not go for any home discount. If we fail to overpay him, and some fans get upset, so be it. Just keep winning, Bloom, and I'll support anything you do.