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They don't count Whitlock's 4 IP in his start, but had we used an opener, it would have, and he'd be tied for the most. 13.2 Thompson (4 gms) 13.1 Crowe 6 11.2 Akin 5 10.2 King 5 10.1 Peters 5 10.1 Banks 5 10.1 Ortega 7 10.1 Winder 3 9.2 Whitlock 4 11 guys with 9 to 9.2 IP (7 with 6 or less games)
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While Bob had a low career K/9 number, his K/9 numbers in those years where he pitched a lot, and the ones afterwards were his highest: 5.9 1986 5.0 1988 4.7 1985 4.4 1982 140 ERA+ led the league 4.4 1984 4.0 1983 153 ERA+ (2nd best in career) 7 other seasons between 1.8 and 3.9) His arm seemed to get stronger!
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So, maybe arms do drop off. You don't see too many repeat names, either.
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Does deciding to keep arb pitchers count as the new GM's choice?
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Good point, so the trend seems even stronger towards more relief pitchers going 80+ IP over the past few years.
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Agreed, but soxprospects really protects Downs. -
Good points, but we still have Mata and Ward as prospects, despite their ceiling being lower, now. Song, too. These surgeries have had better results over the years.
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Maybe it is not trending to more RP'ers going more IP... maybe it is... Most IP thrown by RP'er with 0 GS'd: 2019 or 2021 96 Gaviglo 92 Beeks 85 LeBlanc 84 Green 84 Huerra 83 3 guys 81-81 5 guys 80 4 guys (17 over 79.2 IP) 2017-2018 119 Yarbrough 95 Chavez 87 Petit 87 Petit 85 Rusin 84 Castro 83 Lorenson 82 N Ramirez 81 Hader & Devinski 80 3 guys (13 with over 79.2 IP) '15-'16 89 Hand 85 E Ramirez 85 Betances & Devinski 82 Torres 80 4 guys (only 9 guys) '13-'14 90-96 4 guys 86-89 3 guys 79.2-85 4 guys (11 total)
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Not all year long, but pretty much, yes... 3 IP every 3rd game comes to about 162 IP, and he had 168 in 1982. That year he had these stretches: IP date 4.0 5/1 4.0 5/3 5.0 5/6 3.2 5/9 (That's 4 times in 9 days and more than avg 4 IP per outing!) 5.0 5/16 6.0 5/19 8.1 5/29 4.2 5/29 3.2 5/31 (This stretch is off the charts crazy! 5 times in 16 days and 27.2 IP- almost 6 IP per outing!) He, then went fewer innings for most of the remainder of the season, but pitched 2.1 to 5 innings a lot. 9 times in June 25.2 IP (just under 3 IP per outing) 7 times in July 24.0 (about 3 and a half IP per outing) 11 times in AUG 35.0 (3.1 IP per outing) 8 times in SEP 27.2 (3.1+ IP per outing) He ended the year pitching in 48 out of 162 games (29.6%), which is pretty close to once every 3 days on average. He averages 3.92 innings per outing, so he basically went about 4 IP every 3rd day!
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Agreed, and he also had a longer time to establish a system of scouts and advisors, there, too.
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True. Some others around them are doing very well, too. Right now, Binelas is 21st, so moving to 20 should not be hard. Hamilton is 26th. Rafaela Bonaci Fitzy Koss Jimenez Murphy Seabold They could pass Ward, McDonough and Paulino (Hamilton only). I doubt Downs drops that much, but maybe he does. Crawford may drop. Then, guys like Lugo, behind them, may continue doing well and move up a lot, too.
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It's the same IP, more or less. I'm not s sure. Maybe pitchers would throw harder, knowing they are not going 5-7 innings. Did Bob Stanley's arm fall off?
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One problem might be, if it was Whitlock's "day to pitch," but we were up by 8 or down by 8. It would be a waste to pitch him, but not pitching him would upset the routine and force him to pitch less over a full season, assuming this happens multiple times.
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It's hard to know. Maybe with some pitchers, it would work well, but others, used to the routines of every 5th day pitching, maybe not. Starters do have a "throwing day" between starts, so maybe the adjustment might not be so unsettling. Would throwing 3-4 innings every 3rd day vs 5-6 IP every 5th day be the trend of the future? Over a 15 day/game period the 3rd day guy might pitch 17-18 innings (5 x 3.2 IP), while the every 5 day guy might pitch 17-18 IP (3 x 5.2), too.
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Did all of his additions with the Rays do well? (I'm guessing more did, but do we have a breakdown?) Also, Richards did well in the pen, although he was not acquired for that role. What list do you place Ottavino on?
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Agreed, and with his next appearance, he may move to 3rd in total IP'd by Sox pitchers. (He's currently 5th- just 2/3 behind Wacha and 2 IP behind Houck.)
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I'd say this crop matches 2013 and 2006 looks like the point where we look to as being the last time we had better. Just my opinion.
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To me, the only "plan" is Sale and Paxton joining the staff and pushing others down by attrition. I'm not sure how well the starters pushed into the pen will do, unless it's Whitlock and or Houck.
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Maybe Bloom had better scouts and a better organization with the Rays. Maybe it was just good luck with the Rays or bad luck with us. Also, our pen has done pretty well with under the radar arms under Bloom with the Sox- certainly better than expected.
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Binelas & Hamilton may crack the top 20, by mid season.
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Yes, I expected Bloom to build a good pen, but the pen I saw on paper, this spring was not what I had hoped for. That was one reason I preferred having Houck at closer and Whitlock as the magic man.
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When is the last time we've had 4 pitching prospects with good outlooks and another 4 that might turn out okay, if they can get over injuries and military service time?
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4/25 Red Sox @ Blue Jays
moonslav59 replied to moonslav59's topic in Mike Grace Memorial Game Thread Forum
When we went up 2-0 after being no-hit for 9 innings, I thought that might be the "spring board" game. Nope! -
4/25 Red Sox @ Blue Jays
moonslav59 replied to moonslav59's topic in Mike Grace Memorial Game Thread Forum
I lived in Milwaukee during the Bart Starr and Lew Alcindor/Kareem Abdul Jabbar eras. Yup. -
4/25 Red Sox @ Blue Jays
moonslav59 replied to moonslav59's topic in Mike Grace Memorial Game Thread Forum
Marcus Smart may be the key. Beating the Bucks (my team) got easier as Middleton is out with a knee injury. Brooklyn's Durant is starting to create whispers.
