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...and then people complained, bitterly, about the Pedey deal, once he got hurt.

...and who are the "bunch of journeymen" starters we might have started, instead of Winckowski?

Yes, and "down the road" is the same as hindsight. Several of these down the road prospects books are not complete, yet, and many of the players we got already have their "books" competed. I don't see many chances for anyone we traded to suddenly jump on the map, but we also have to look at total years of control of the players we traded vs the limited years of control of the players we got. Take Margot, for example. He was traded in 2015, but did not really start playing FT until about 2017. bWAR since 2017 2.4 1.3 1.9 1.0 2.8 1.2, so far (projects to over 3) Comparing to our OF'ers at the time of the trade (2015) may or may not be "fair," but here are the numbers: JBJ 2.0 '15 5.8 '16 3.2 '17 (when Margot started FT) 2.5 2.0 2.0 -0.7 0.5, so far (projects to over 1.5) Beni 0.8 '16 (not FT) 2.8 (Margot's first year) 4.8 1.8 -0.1 (traded after this season) 2.4 1.5, so far (projected over 4, and his final year of control) I won't post Betts, because we know he blows Margot away. 2020 SOX OF (60 Game season) 1.6 JBJ 0.7 Pillar -0.1 Beni 2021 4.9 Kike 2.3 Renfroe 2.2 Verdugo 2022, so far 0.5 JBJ 0.5 Kike 0.2 Refsnyder, JDavis 0.1 Cordero, Duran -0.3 Arroyo -0.5 Verdugo

He has not done well in AAA. Still walking the world on fire.

Fangraphs has us ranked 10th in Defense. I'm not sure what they use for this ranking, since we are ranked at ... 3rd in UZR/150 at +5.4 4th in DRS at +23. Maybe our catching D brings us down. Last year, we ended up ranked 23rd. (11th in UZR/150 at +1.4 & 18th in DRA at +4.)

Our team pitching rankings: 23rd in fWAR at 2.6, despite being tied for 3rd with the lowest BAbip at .266 (Looks like our defense improved a bunch from 2021!) 10th in WHIP at 1.19 10th BA Against at .225 11th best BB% at 8.2% 12th best K% at 23.1% 12th best K-BB% at 14.9% 16th in ERA- at 101 17th in xFIP 3.92 We have the 3rd worst HR/9 at 1.24! Our starters have the 13th best ERA- at 98 and xFIP- at 99. Our pen places 17th in ERA- at 100 and 24th in xFIP_ at 102.

Our everyday players currently rank 5th in fWAR at 8.2, behind LAD 10.8, NYM 10.0, LAA 9.4 and HOU 8.8. (The NYY are 8th at 7.9, TBR are 13th at 6.5 and the much-hyped TOR line-up is 17th at 5.4.) On offense, we place... 2nd in BA at .262 (STL is .263) 3rd in OPS at .745 (just .003 behind LAA) 3rd in SLG at .425 (LAD at .429, LAA .426) 6th in wRC+ at 112 7th in OBP at .320, despite being 28th in BB% at 7.3%) 7th in ISO at .163 Posters complain about all our K's, but we have the 8th lowest K% in MLB at 20.6%. 13 teams are over 23%. (We are 20th in BB/K at 0.35. The mean is 0.38)

I didn't remember it happening all that much, but I went back and looked, and it did happen more than I thought in the earlier years ('03-'04), but it became pretty regular: Papi 3rd/ Manny 4th afterwards- some years never flipped.

Agreed, and until yesterday, he was strengthening his profile.

True, but he did have an fWAR season of 1.5 and 1.9, too, and our OF has had some below average players for a few years. He's a very good fielder and much cheaper than JBJ.

Gotta win this series. Tyler Wells RHP v Rich Hill LHP (without Houck to piggyback) Free Game on MLB.comTV

That's the thing about making judgments on these types of trades after just 2-3 years.

I felt the same way. The only "direction" seemed to be to try and hold onto relevancy for another season with little done to improve the longer outlook, except adding ERod and Kelly. As it turned out, Porcello (via Cespedes), Kelly and ERod all helped us win in 2028.

It's hard to figure he knows anything of value or otehrwise.

Bello went 5 for his third win with Woo. 5 H 2 ER 4 BB (kinda rare) 6 K He now has a 3.18 ERA in AAA. Feliz went 2 scoreless in relief. Feltman 1 walk/hitless inning. (2K) German 1 hitless inning (1 BB/ 2K)

I always wondered what Papi and Manny's numbers would have looked like, if they had flipped them in the batting order.

...and a few others. (Not that there may not be some truth to the position.)

The guy STORK has been bashing Bloom for not getting, Berrios, now has a 5.61 ERA.

You may need a lot of luck.

True, but he was good enough to play in our OF for years before now.

AL SLG% Leaders .669 Judge .656 Trout .634 Ramirez .611 Devers .588 JD .533 Alvarez .523 Stanton .519 Springer .510 Pena (Who needs Correa?) .505 France .503 Anderson .480 Bogey OBP .456 Arraez .439 JD .414 France .413 Trout .399 Crawford .398 Beni .395 Bogey

I agree, and maybe the change in direction will not be away from FA signings, but only away from large and long ones. I'm thinking the Story deal might be as large and long as we go, and even then, not very often.

We could sure use a .256 OF'er whom plays plus D. The time is almost up on some of the prospects' years of team control, and it doesn't look like anyone of DD;s traded is going to make a big surprise. As it turned out, DD kept Devers and a few others look to be better than the vast majority of prospects he traded. It worked out for DD, because one, we won a ring and had 3 first place finishes, and two, the prospects he chose to trade away have not lived up to the hype. Thirdly, he drafted pretty well for having crappy picks and a restricted IFA spending pool. That being said, we can't assume every farm is going to peter out like much of that one did. We also can't assume we choose the right ones to trade, next time. I still think the best idea is to keep most of your best prospects in hopes a few can add some very low cost value to the 26 man roster, and maybe a trade, here and there, when needed badly. Many times, it has worked keeping our homegrown stars and solid role players.

Jimenez went 3 for 5 and seems to be finding his offense. (It too a while!)

Is he ahead of Seabold and Bello? He better careful Walter doesn't pass him. BTW, Groome got drilled, today. 2 IP, 6 H, 8 ER, 1 BB, 1 K 4 HR