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BTV has... Duran at 16.8 (down from over 20, last summer) Dalbec at 13.5 Downs at 6.8 (way down from last year) Others: 55.4 Mayer 52.4 Casas 48.8 Houck 37.7 Yorke 16.6 Whitlock 10.3 Bello 7.6 Jordan 6.0 Gonzalez 5 Lugo & Jimenez 4 Bleis, Winckowski, Walter, Mata 3 Hamilton, McDonough, Groome, Bonaci, Crawford, R Hernandez 2 Murphy, Seabold, Decker & Hickey FYI other team's notable BTV values OAK -8.6 Piscotty/ -4.2 Andrus (salary dump offsets) 45.2 Soderstrom C prospect 39.6 Montas (2 years of control) 27.8 Langeliers C prospect 14.1 Manaea SP (1 yr) 7.5 Pache OF (RHB w 6 yrs) 1.1 Trivino RP (3 yrs) CIN -32.5 Moustakas 2B/ -8.3 Akiyama OF & LHB(Salary dump offset) 66.0 Castillo SP (2 yrs) 44.4 Mahle SP (2 yrs) 19.5 Sims RHP (3 yrs) Probably not being offered 15.4 Warren RHP (6 yrs) Probably not being offered MIA 75.3 Alcantara SP prospect (6 yrs) 57.1 Lopes SP (3 yrs) 20.9 Sanchez SP (6 yrs) 10.0 Luzardo SP (5 yrs) 8.8 Stallings C (3 yrs) Just traded for him, so not likely available 6.1 de la Cruz OF (RHB and 6 yrs) 4.4 Bleier RHP (1 yr) If these values are close, and most trades, so far have shown them to be fairly accurate, who do you mix and match with?

I like Whitlock as a starter better, and it's not about the third time through thing. Also, many of today's starters have awful 3rd time through numbers, and they still start. I like Houck as our closer more than Whitlock, so that's what tips the balance for me. Our pen looks so weak, I hate to move either of them, but somehow Cora has worked magic with what little he has had in the pen for years. I'm not sure if that can continue. If Wacha can do well out of the pen, maybe in a role like Whitlock had, last year, our opening day rotation might look like this: 1. Eovaldi 2. Pivetta 3. Houck 4. Whitlock 5. Hill That's a nice starting 5, IMO. When and if Sale and Paxton join the team, we'd have to decide who moves to the pen.

More impressive the Yanks (86-76 Pyth) won 90+ games. We earned the playoffs in the context of Pyth. (BTW, the Jays were 99-63 Pyth, while the 100 win Rays were 101-61.)

You don't think a $72M/5 offer to Suzuki brings him here? Or maybe an $82M/6 offer?

Should not and will not are not the same. My guess is, Henry would be okay with going a little over, if he felt like it greatly increased our odds for a ring. I just think top brass does not think we are at that point. I think last year was the same thing.

Of those teams? All look better, but all have serious questions, too.

Yes, it's apples to oranges, and I admit the 2019 26 man roster looked better than the 2021 26 man roster at the start of the season, but the rest of the 40 man and the farm and finances looked worse. BTW, no Kimbrel (42 saves), Kelly and Nunez was significant. No doubt, DD was not to blame, as his spending was cut off after 2018, too.

I kinda felt like we had some bad luck in the last month or two of 2022. Being swept by the O's is just one incident. To me, had the Jays made the playoffs, it would have been luckier, and the Yanks were the worst of the 3.

I agree, and what can Dalbec + Duran get us? Montas and salary dumps like Piscotty and or Andrus? More likely Manaea & Trivino & a role player.

I meant $16M available. The edit function is still messed up.

Yup. We have $18M available, assuming Bloom is given enough to approach the limit. Add $12M and we might have been able to sign Suzuki and McHugh.

How many starters can the Yanks count on for 2022? The Astros? The Jays? The White Sox? Some may have 2, but nobody looks flush.

And, expecting Nate to repeat his career best season is probably asking too much, as well. I understand doubting Houck and Whitlock, but every team has pitchers like them and are thinking positively about them. While Houck's end of 2021 looked a bit shaky (4.15 ERA after Aug 8), his other numbers were not all that inconsistent. .620 OPS against .220 BA against He did very well in the playoffs, too, except for one unfortunate inning v the Astros

It still counts against the tax line, and with so many huge shoes to fill, every dollar may be needed.

Truer words have never been spoken. 2021> 2019 2022 and beyond outlook> 2020 and beyond outlook How can anyone view this as doing a bad job?

The worst part is the insane $8M buy-out for 2023- all but assuring he's on the books for next year! Binales and or Hamilton better earn that money!

I'm tired of hearing about just "interest."

JD Drew money- not counting inflation.

I don't keep track of who the doom and gloomers are. Duly noted. Why act like Bloom took the 2018 team to this, when he started after 2019?

Funny. I was just getting ready to post: From Chris Freakin' Sale to Freakin' Chris Sale!

Okay, I did recall that post, but was he really "horrible?"

Sale was the only promise to cling to, despite us all knowing the fragility of such a hope. There is still hope we get more from him than 2021, and it's not like ERod was lighting the world on fire for the first 8 weeks of 2021. That being said, a dark cloud is hanging over Red Sox Nation for 2022. The Suzuki and McHugh hopes are gone. No big trade seems to be looming. We have $16M to spend and nothing out there for that money that will turn us into top 4 contenders in the AL, IMO. To me, our roster looks like it's borderline fire sale mode. Just go for 2023 and trade Bogey, JD, Nate and Kike and just admit 2023 is a pipe dream. (Did I just say that out loud? LOL!)

What am I spinning? I never thought Schwarber was a good fit for 2022 and beyond. I like the guy as much and anyone, but we have bigger holes at other positions. No spin- just reality.

If you count playoff wins and losses... The DD through Bloom era: 119-57 2018 98-72 2021 Bloom 94-72 2017 93-72 2016 84-78 2019 24-36 2020 Bloom "Tank Year" Does our long term outlook seem better now or after the 2019 season?

If you are being sarcastic, which is hard to tell, he did not take over from the 2018 team. He took over after the 2019 season. Big difference, despite the fact that the rosters were similar in some ways. The spending was cut. Players aged and left for free agency. "Genius" or "brilliant?" I hesitate to say either, but he has done what he was asked to do and more. While rebuilding the farm and 40 man roster depth, we were 2 games away from the WS. That is a hell of a lot better than the 2019 season.