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Get fried?
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That does look like a steal. As of now, here are the ranking of all the prospects Bloom has traded for: 12. Winckowski (Beni) 13. Downs (Betts) 14. Seabold (Workman & Hembree) 21. Binelas & 26. Hamilton (Renfroe-JBJ deal) 22. Koss (Aybar) 27. Wong (Betts) 28. R Hernandez (Mazza & Springs) 35. German (Ottavino deal) 36. J Wallace (Pillar) 42. V Santos (Chatham) Not Ranked Potts (Moreland) Grant Gambrell, Freddy Valdez and Luis de la Rosa (Beni-Cordero deal) Am I missing anyone?
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No, but better than Downs. Perhaps we could have gotten Verdugo, Graterol & Wong. -
Yusmeiro Petit seems to be the only guy repeating on these lists since moving from a starter to the pen after the 2014 season, but he's no where near Bob Stanley: IP/ games 76-42 62-36 91-60 93-74 83-80 (2020 not counted 22-26 in 60 games) 78-78
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This might be my current rankings: 1. Mayer 2. Yorke 3. Casas 4. Walter 5. Bello 6. Bleis 7. Gonzalez 8. Duran 9. Groome 10. Mata 11. Winckowski 12. Rafaela 13. Murphy 14. Binelas 15. Jimenez 16. Fitzy 17. Lugo 18. Hamilton 19. McDonough 20. Koss 21. Crawford 22. Seabold 23. Ward 24. Bonaci 25. Downs (Maybe Rafaela is too low.)
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Good thing Verdugo has looked good. I wish we just stuck with Graterol and Verdugo.
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84 Green 67 gms 81 Crismatt 45 (the only guy in the top 11 averaging close to 2 IP per outing) 81 Rogers 80 80 Gallegos 73 80 Stammen 79 78 Petit 78 77 Shaw 81 12th Whitlock 73.1 in 46 games
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No, but ultimately, you have to choose between keeping someone under team control or acquire someone else. A GM can't be blamed for not acquiring as many "under-the radar" RP'ers, if it was because he had more established ones to keep than the other situation being compared to. That's why I was wondering what his success rate was with the Rays. We all know they had good pens, but some was aided by pitching more innings, many times with a starter getting relief innings after an opener. (I'm not doubting that Bloom did better with the pen when with the Rays, but there is a lot of context needed.)
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With his current K rate, he may just drop below 20 by mid season. (27 Ks in 60 ABs) His .686 OPS is actually better than recent years, so maybe he can salvage his ranking.
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They don't count Whitlock's 4 IP in his start, but had we used an opener, it would have, and he'd be tied for the most. 13.2 Thompson (4 gms) 13.1 Crowe 6 11.2 Akin 5 10.2 King 5 10.1 Peters 5 10.1 Banks 5 10.1 Ortega 7 10.1 Winder 3 9.2 Whitlock 4 11 guys with 9 to 9.2 IP (7 with 6 or less games)
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While Bob had a low career K/9 number, his K/9 numbers in those years where he pitched a lot, and the ones afterwards were his highest: 5.9 1986 5.0 1988 4.7 1985 4.4 1982 140 ERA+ led the league 4.4 1984 4.0 1983 153 ERA+ (2nd best in career) 7 other seasons between 1.8 and 3.9) His arm seemed to get stronger!
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So, maybe arms do drop off. You don't see too many repeat names, either.
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Does deciding to keep arb pitchers count as the new GM's choice?
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Good point, so the trend seems even stronger towards more relief pitchers going 80+ IP over the past few years.
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Agreed, but soxprospects really protects Downs.
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Good points, but we still have Mata and Ward as prospects, despite their ceiling being lower, now. Song, too. These surgeries have had better results over the years.
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Maybe it is not trending to more RP'ers going more IP... maybe it is... Most IP thrown by RP'er with 0 GS'd: 2019 or 2021 96 Gaviglo 92 Beeks 85 LeBlanc 84 Green 84 Huerra 83 3 guys 81-81 5 guys 80 4 guys (17 over 79.2 IP) 2017-2018 119 Yarbrough 95 Chavez 87 Petit 87 Petit 85 Rusin 84 Castro 83 Lorenson 82 N Ramirez 81 Hader & Devinski 80 3 guys (13 with over 79.2 IP) '15-'16 89 Hand 85 E Ramirez 85 Betances & Devinski 82 Torres 80 4 guys (only 9 guys) '13-'14 90-96 4 guys 86-89 3 guys 79.2-85 4 guys (11 total)
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Not all year long, but pretty much, yes... 3 IP every 3rd game comes to about 162 IP, and he had 168 in 1982. That year he had these stretches: IP date 4.0 5/1 4.0 5/3 5.0 5/6 3.2 5/9 (That's 4 times in 9 days and more than avg 4 IP per outing!) 5.0 5/16 6.0 5/19 8.1 5/29 4.2 5/29 3.2 5/31 (This stretch is off the charts crazy! 5 times in 16 days and 27.2 IP- almost 6 IP per outing!) He, then went fewer innings for most of the remainder of the season, but pitched 2.1 to 5 innings a lot. 9 times in June 25.2 IP (just under 3 IP per outing) 7 times in July 24.0 (about 3 and a half IP per outing) 11 times in AUG 35.0 (3.1 IP per outing) 8 times in SEP 27.2 (3.1+ IP per outing) He ended the year pitching in 48 out of 162 games (29.6%), which is pretty close to once every 3 days on average. He averages 3.92 innings per outing, so he basically went about 4 IP every 3rd day!
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Agreed, and he also had a longer time to establish a system of scouts and advisors, there, too.
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True. Some others around them are doing very well, too. Right now, Binelas is 21st, so moving to 20 should not be hard. Hamilton is 26th. Rafaela Bonaci Fitzy Koss Jimenez Murphy Seabold They could pass Ward, McDonough and Paulino (Hamilton only). I doubt Downs drops that much, but maybe he does. Crawford may drop. Then, guys like Lugo, behind them, may continue doing well and move up a lot, too.
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It's the same IP, more or less. I'm not s sure. Maybe pitchers would throw harder, knowing they are not going 5-7 innings. Did Bob Stanley's arm fall off?
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One problem might be, if it was Whitlock's "day to pitch," but we were up by 8 or down by 8. It would be a waste to pitch him, but not pitching him would upset the routine and force him to pitch less over a full season, assuming this happens multiple times.
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It's hard to know. Maybe with some pitchers, it would work well, but others, used to the routines of every 5th day pitching, maybe not. Starters do have a "throwing day" between starts, so maybe the adjustment might not be so unsettling. Would throwing 3-4 innings every 3rd day vs 5-6 IP every 5th day be the trend of the future? Over a 15 day/game period the 3rd day guy might pitch 17-18 innings (5 x 3.2 IP), while the every 5 day guy might pitch 17-18 IP (3 x 5.2), too.
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Did all of his additions with the Rays do well? (I'm guessing more did, but do we have a breakdown?) Also, Richards did well in the pen, although he was not acquired for that role. What list do you place Ottavino on?
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Agreed, and with his next appearance, he may move to 3rd in total IP'd by Sox pitchers. (He's currently 5th- just 2/3 behind Wacha and 2 IP behind Houck.)
