moonslav59
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17th in fWAR. Even if you throw out Bonds, which of the ten do you supplant? 168 Ruth 150 Mays 149 Cobb 136 Aaron 131 Speaker 130 Williams 130 Hornsby 127 Wagner 127 Musial 121 Collins 11-15 116 Gehrig 114 ARod 112 Mantle 110 Ott 107 Schmidt 106 Rickey 104 F Robinson 99 Foxx 96 Mathews 95 Yaz
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You must be talking about MVP.
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He's not in my top 10, but in his own mind, he's top 1.
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It shouldn't from you, any more than 2021 did after it was over.
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That wasn't the question I answered. What about the 2022 Kike, a different question? He sucked. The injury did not give him much of a chance to change how much he sucked when he did play, but he sucked. His D did not outweigh how much he sucked on O. He sucked. Did I say he sucked enough for you?
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Both in their own minds.
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I don't see how that is the "company line," but you have your perspective. The team was not as bad as the W-L record showed. You all but admitted that, yourself. Now, 2022 is in the past, now, so it means nothing, right?
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Just curious on your thoughts on Bloom's overall additions to the 2022 team. Was it a net plus or minus? (Just the additions) Story Wacha Schreiber (did pitch 3 IP in 2021) Refsnyder Hill Strahm Diekman JBJ (In season: McGuire, Pham, Hosmer, Abreu, EValdez, M Ferguson, C Rosier) Traded Away: Renfroe (In season: Vaz, Groome, Deikman) Net Plus or Minus?
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It's not about making us feel fine. It's about trying to build a sustainable winning system and not repeating past mistakes. "Buying the company line?" I'm just going by past history, and I mentioned the fact that our history has had moments of "turning on a dime," and usually when that happened, we ended up suffering longer term consequences after a few moments of glory. We may go that path again. I don't know what the "company line" or plan is. I think I have an idea, and it seems to line up with my preference than maybe your all-in NOW idea, but at any moment, they may switch to your way.
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I think this management team values defense, highly. They stuck with JBJ a long time. I think Rafaela will not be traded, despite him being one of the most sought after prospects we have.
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I think we can resign Bogey or someone like Swanson, Nimmo in RF and a couple good pen arms and still reset the tax. The hard part is getting a 1/2 starter. To me, he'd have to come via trade, and I'm not sure the top brass thinks this is the time for that. We can extend Devers and not have it count on the 2023 tax line, of we can look to reset in 2024 and extend him, this winter with a hefty signing bonus. I think it is entirely possible we can have a nice team for 2023, reset, and keep the future intact, but I don't see us being a top 4-6 contender without pulling off a big trade or going way over the tax line... maybe both.
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Kike had a great second half to 2021- not just the playoffs. He was clearly worth $7M. IMO, if the majority of Sox fans thought a 108+ OPS with GG-type defense isn't worth $7M, I'd say I don't care what they think. He and Dalbec just about carried the team in July and August. Kike had some big hits in September, too. Kike hit .876 after June 27th (73 games). I think the recency affect would have given him a favorable vote, even before his playoff heroics.
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You forgot Story and Strahm. Overall, the FA signings was a net plus, IMO, but the JBJ trade took a big chunk our of the overall winter gains. The injuries and drops in production by returning vets, to me, was more of a reason for our major drop from 2021. Perhaps we played over our level in 2021, so maybe that was part of the total equation, too.
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The end result was that McGuire and Pham did okay to very well, and it obviously wasn't enough. To get a lot better we'd have had to trade better prospects. Should we have traded Mayer and Rafaela for Luis Castillo? Would we still be playing, now, if we did? Would making the fans happier for a few weeks have been worth it?
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To be good, we have to do more than slightly improve on the 2022 JBJ, JD and Nate. That will be costly.
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We both keep saying the same things. What clues to you have that the here and now will become our top priority, this winter? It's all speculation, of course, but to me, the trend seems to be keep rebuilding.
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The problem is not replacing the 2022 JD, Nate, JBJ and Vaz; in a sense, we need to replace the 2021 Nate, the 2018 JD, the 2020 JBJ and the on year Vaz to get back to near top competitiveness. There is a lot of improving we need to do over the 2022 team. Better health can help, a lot, but there doesn't seem to be enough resources to fill all our needs.
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I'm not pretending I do. I do think there are many clues that support the idea that the longer term is a higher priority than the here and now, but like I said, that could an has in the past, "turned on a dime."
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We are seeing what going all in ends up doing. 2018 and the consequences. Repeating that does not seem like a a good plan, and yes, there seems to be vast and fierce differences of opinion of this.
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I don't think it's that simple. I also think they will want to reset this winter or next, and signing Devers, Bogey and Story will make that very difficult, unless they go cheap nearly everywhere else. I think the "all in NOW" idea is a pipedream.
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He had restricted spending. He could have "settled Bogey," but we'd have no Story and the same amount of holes to fill.
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Yes, we know this is your opinion. I disagree this foundation is close the ones where we added Pedro, Manny, Schilling, Lackey and Price to.
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I'm not arguing against staying even by signing Devers and Bogey. I disagree on your characterization of "Bloom letting it get to this point." He had little choice and did very well on many of his "choices," but certainly holding that opinion has merit and a large following.
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I remember saying the Carl Crawford signing would "cripple us for years." Luckily, we were able to get to dump him, but it took getting rid of a couple stars to do it.
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We will have to spend so much just to stay even at 2B, SS & 3B. Is wasting the future worth going after a questionable "win NOW" plan? In the past we had a bigger core to "go all in" around than we do, now. The foundation has to be built up, first. We have too many high need areas to expect any GM to hit the jackpot on in one winter of flurry- more like blizzard- spending and trading.
