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When you hit over .300, they care. It's b een a very remarkable "tool," and he hits the ball hard- just not for a lot of homers. Think of the big Fenway RF and no shift. This guy may lead the league in BA and or Doubles. A slugging percent over .500 the last 2 years, thanks Bell, is a great "tool." I'm not sure why so many people are choosing to be so pessimistic. I understand he is hard to project or translate to MLB, but it's not like there is no history of success with batters from that league. I'm going the optimistic route with MY and hope I'm not wrong.

It seems very obvious to me. Don't confuse not understanding long term planning with not liking it.

I'm with you (and Bloom.) I'm for sustainable winning and not building just windows. That takes time and patience.

It's likely something DD would do (and also trade away Bleis, Rafaela & Mata), but in a few years from now, we'd be right back where we are, now. Dream, now: nightmare, later.

Or, trade Mayer, Dalbec & Walter to KC for Brady Singer & Michael Taylor

Would this highly unlikely change of events call off the fire bloom brigade? Sign Carlos Correa Trade Dugo for Urquidy Trade Mayer, Wong, Duran and Dalbec for Sean Murphy and Ramon Laureano 1. Yoshida LF 2. Story 2B 3. Devers 3B 4. Correa SS 5. Murphy C 6. Casas 1B 7. Kike CF 8. Laureano RF 9. Hosmer/Refsnyder/Arroyo DH SP: Sale, Whitlock, Bello, Urquidy, Pivetta (Paxton, Crawford, Winckowski, Seabold. Walter) RP: Jansen, Martin, Houck, Schreiber, Barnes, Joely, Taylor, Brasier (Kelly, German, Mata, Murphy)

So, he didn't get 7 years or $20+M as some reports said he was seeking. This seems like a deal the Sox might have/should have topped. The contract has an opt out after 2025.

Pretty sure we add 2-3 more pieces, minimum, but here is how our slots might line-up, right now: 1. L Yoshida LF 2. R Kike CF 3. L Devers 3B 4. R Story SS 5. L Casas 1B 6. L Verdugo/ R Refsnyder RF 7. L Hosmer/ R Dalbec DH (Verdugo could DH when Refsnyder is playing RF) 8. R Arroyo 2B (maybe at some point L Enmanuel Valdez) 9. L McGuire/ R Wong C SP1 Sale SP2 Whitlock SP3 Bello SP4 Pivetta SP5 Paxton SP/LR Crawford SP/LR Winckowski/Mata/Seabold/Walter/Murphy/Santos Closer Jansen RP2 Martin RP3 Schreiber RP4 Barnes RP5 Joely RP6 Brasier/Taylor/Kelly/German/Mata/Walter/Murphy/Ort/DHern/Wallace/Fernandez

I guess nobody is expected to play past 42.

Yup. Not great, but here are our last seven 4th rounders: Chase Meidroth Elmer Rodriguez-Cruz (Nathan Hickey in 5th Rd.) Shane Drohan Noah Song Kole Cottam (Thad Ward) Jake Thompson Bobby Dalbec One could say they were better than our 2nd and 3rd rounders most years.

This isn't the realistic thread, LOL. I think I'm closer on ERA than GS and IP. I think Sale, Whitlock and Bello might do better than I guessed but the others probably worse.

I'm thinking Andrus on a 2 year deal or maybe Segura for 1 year to play 2nd, and Story plays SS for one year before Mayer takes over. That allows for more money for RF (Conforto or Gallo) and SP (Nate, Senga, Kluber, Wacha) and if we go light maybe bring Vaz back or trade for a RF/SP/SS/C.

We actually lose the pick we'd get for Nate signing elsewhere, if we sign him, though. I think I like B, but I'm not sure that can be done for under $43M, I don't think we sign Swanson. I didn't even put a Correa option out there. He'd take up most of the $43M (maybe Correa & Wacha or Correa & Vaz.)

I think we add a starter, but here is what I think might happen (subject to adjustments, later) GS/IP Pitcher ERA 33/180 Pivetta 4.25 26/160 Whitlock 3.25 26/150 Bello 4.00 20/110 Sale 3.00 16/90 Crawford 4.75 16/90 Winckowski 5.00 10/40 Paxton 4.25 15/60 Others 5.75

If you had to choose from only these remaining options, which do you take? A. Senga, Gallo, Andrus B. Senga, Conforto, Andrus C. Swanson & Nate D. Swanson, Kluber & Mancini E, Swanson, Wacha & Vaz F, Nate, Conforto & Andrus G. Nate, Gallo & Andrus H. Kluber, Conforto/Gallo, Andrus & Vaz

Kiermaier to sign with Jays. Details not known.

I'd be all for signing Correa and trading Mayer for Lopez and Berti. Now, that's a team to get excited about. We might even have enough money to add a decent DH/RF'er.

What cracks me up, and I am literally laughing, right now, is the statement "Say Goodnight Dick" is exactly like taking your toys and going home, or wanting to end the discussion, right now.

That's what you always say when you know you lost the debate. Why bring it up, if you don't think it applies, now? I don't expect an answer- just a rehash of the poster's previously wrong positions- like that helps strengthen your position. Notin's point was maybe we can get by by stregthening D at SS but making up for it by adding O at DH. How does the JBJ position he held relate to this? We did not replace renfroe's offense anywhere else, and we lost Schwarber, too. It's strawman, again. How many times do you make a statement and then have to follow it up with, "Where did I ever say_____?" If the point about JBJ did not pertain to what you were trying to say, why bring it up? If it did, then you did "say it." Either way, you lose.

Without any addition at SS or RF, we'd have to play Story at SS and Arroyo/EValdez/Hamilton/Downs at middle IF. Kike in CF and Dugo/Refsnyder in RF. DH would be the off-handed RF'er with Hosmer/Dalbec (likely both will not be on the 26 at the same time.) This really brings the win total down from what the other slots gained. I'd say with no additions, our offense is little worse and the defense a little better, Maybe a push? A lot depends on the return of Story and Kike FT and the emergence of Casas at 1B. If we add just Andrus and Conforto, we will see a plus 5-8 wins from everyday players. (Total guess) No additions on the staff? The rotation might be lucky to break even, if Sale or Paxton are healthy and Bello shines. I really like Whitlock getting 25+ starts. The pen should add major wins over 2022. Maybe the pitching staff adds 3-6 wins with no additions. If we add Senga or Nate, bump that to 5-9 wins. If we add a minimum of Nate, Conforto and Andrus, I'm guessing 12-15 more wins with normal injury issues. Maybe 9-12 is more reasonable. Casas (Hosmer/Dalbec)>>> Dalec/Cordero/Hosmer Healthy Story>>> Half a Story Healthy Kike >>> A third Kike Yoshida>>> JBJ Maybe McGuire/Wong = Vaz/Plawecki Hosmer/Dalbec/Dugo/Ref/Arroyo= 2022 JD They key comes to how close we can come to replacing Bogey and will Devers have a bigger year to maybe help make up for part losing Bogey. Jansen, Martin & Joely plus a full year of Houck in the pen more than makes up for losing Whitlock to the rotation and we have a ton of addition by subtractions by losing all the IP'd by Sawamura, Davis, Diekman, Danish, Robles and hopefully replacing those by Brasier, Ort and others still in the system. To all the people saying the pen cost us so many games, let's see how right you were.

...and somehow, he knew Bloom was a bad nerd from day one.

How quickly these guys rewrite history and have selected memories. We may still be looking for our first ring in over 100 years had we not trusted nerds.

Fine, just stop pretending others are the name callers and personal attackers and not you.

You seem to totally ignore context. Did you see the roster and farm Click was handed? You do know, they let him go, too. You keep acting like DD id some miracle worker. Give him the 2019 Red Sox and the 2020, 2021 and 2022 budgets and see what he would have done. Do you really think think our record comes close to the 2016-2018 stretch? If you do, can I have some of what you're smoking?

Can you at least entertain the thought that maybe the Sox did not value Bogey as much as you and many here did? Maybe, just maybe, they value Devers or Correa more than they did Bogey or more than you or some of us do. There is some evidence that even you pointed out, earlier. You think they paid Yoshida more than what he was worth. That means they valued him more than you do and paid him more than you or some here would have. $105M was not chump change. Could they value, Correa, Swanson or Devers much more than Bogey? You thought they overpaid on Story and Kike. Why can't they overpay on someone else? BTW, I don't think the sign Correa. Others will offer grossly overpays, but I do think they value him more than Bogey-perhaps way more and would offer way more. (I just don't think our "way more" will be enough, assuming we even make an initial, let alone final offer.)