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I get that, but many players can still be a decent DH at age 43. Judge is the best hitter in MLB. I'd suspect he could easily be one that could. Had they offered him a 20 year deal, okay. If that is their idea, then they should set an age and make a rule before this happens- not after.

Once we add Jansen and Yoshida plus 1-3 more players to come, Ort will not be on the 40. It was never Ward vs Ort. It was Ward vs our #36 guy. That being said, I wish we had kept Ward, even if to trade him later. I think he does offer more hope than our bottom 4-6 roster players. There is a chance the Sox know more than we do about him, though. I doubt he'll be the next Whitlock.

Despite what the negative ninnies think or expect, this guy has a pretty good chance at being REAL good.

It's really a defining moment for JH. If he unloads Devers, and Story or not, one has to think he's decided to sell the team or take it in a direction we are unfamiliar with. I'm not sure a Tampa Bay North philosophy that spend near the tax line every year is such a bad idea. No mega contracts. No mega long contracts, unless they are for rising young stars before they even reach arb. I have faith in our farm- maybe more than I should, but I'm not giving up on the hope we can construct a long term winning strategy, in fact, I've not given up hope the results begin in 2023. I feel real good about 2024.

I'm a ways away from this position. I lived through so much crap with this team, that those 4 rings cancel out all of this crap with a lot of crap left to receive, before the balance shifts to wanting to dump JH & Co, for some unknown owner. 4 rings in 2 decades and a farm system now in place for long term success, and a budget that looks better than it has since the pre-Pablo/HRam signing days. It's easy to get sucked into the malaise. I was for a day and a half or more. I'm still not happy, but the final product has yet to be presented, and guys like Bello, Casas, Mayer, Mata, Rafaela and others are here, now or about to be here in not too long. Remember, Ebenezer Scrooge had a positive transformation and A Christmas Carol has a happy ending.

So can many other owners. No way does it make sense to give Bogey $290M/11. (I know we had better choices earlier, but this whole argument means nothing, if JH doesn't care about your point.)

I truly believe the Story signing was in reaction to fan disgust and the projected loss of TV and attendance revenue. Maybe the current fan disgust, which seems as bad as I've seen in a long time will light a bigger fire under JH's ass,

Can we agree that the Sox never felt Bogey was worth market price, even when we could have had him for much cheaper, when that market price was lower? I believed the same about Lester. I do think they wanted Betts but did not want to budge from their max offer. The Sox have done that with many stars in the past, and they guessed right on most of them. They got Lester wrong. They probably got Betts wrong. Bogey is TBD, but certainly, in hindsight, a $160-170M/6 extension made a year ago looks to be the winning choice that we refused to make. I get that, but back then, Bogey's market did not seem close to $280M/11. We may disagree, that back then, Bogey was or was not worth $168M/6, or whatever min he would have accepted, but I understand the Sox way of determining current player value and projected value, and may disagree at times, but they have had a pretty good record in this area, even including Lester all the way up to the Betts trade. Some could argue that even up to today, they have guessed right more than wrong, but their wrong ones seem to be doodies.

I understand that, but before those reports came out and right after the Yoshida signing, the mood was uplifting, here, while many still felt Bogey was a gonner. The media or Sox tease on Bogey that came later certainly affected the massive mood swing, but even just BEFORE the Bogey and Sox close to a deal report came out, I said something like, "Is it a coincidence that we met with Bogey and had heavy talks, then immediately signed Yoshida?" I could be wrong, but I think some shared the sentiment that even more than before, the feeling was Bogey was a goner. I get why people are angry and frustrated. My mood sunk, too, as the tease got to me, as well. We still have $40M. I'm moving on from Bogey with a sunken heart, but we have Mayer coming up soon, and I'm glad we did not come close to matching the Padres final offer. (I get the whole we could have ______ earlier- and kept him here, but I'm moving on.)

This reeks of the Bowie Kuhn trade nixes between the A's and Yanks/Sox back in the 70's.

I just looked. Kike, Barnes, Paxton and guys like Brasier can be let go. Maybe that's $30M. Depending on what we pay the pitcher you mention and Correa, and how we handle RF, it will be very tight. I do think, by 2024, we have enough upcoming prospects to fill in several need areas at min cost. It's doable. I want Correa. I'd even be willing to go less at SP'er to get him, but we could trade for a low cost SP'er, too. If we sign Correa, as much as I hate to trade Mayer, we could. It might be worth holding onto him until next winter, when his trade value could significantly increase as he becomes ML ready and is coming off a great 2023 AAA season. If he does not have a great season, maybe waiting a year would hurt the return. Is anyone saying we are "in on Correa?" I guess Bloom has kept pretty stealth on his recent signings. I heard very little about any Sox interest in Yoshida, Jansen or Martin, until boom, they are signed. A few little mentions but nothing close to "heavy talking."

Counting the Kike extension, Krampus has spend over $50M AAV, so far, on Christmas presents to Sox fans. The Bogey lump of coal sucked, and got some of the other presents dirty, but he still has some more presents to buy. My optimism is slowly creeping back.

Nobody here, right now anyway, thinks this team can even sniff glory in 2023. They may think differently by opening day, depending on what else is added, but as of now, no. As you know, I'm totally on the b ring back Devers bandwagon. I'm not sure anyone has said they'd pay him more or for longer than I have, so some may view me as the driver of the Devers Forevers Wagon. That being said, if we get just a comp pick for him, I'll be much more pissed than if we trade him, this winter or at the deadline. So pissed, and trus me on this, I'll be driving the bandwagon to oust the whole Sox management group. I;m a Sox fan for life. I'm not sure it's possible for anyone to love the Sox more than I do, but I'll grant many here do as much. I plan on living at least a couple more decades. I'm 63, and my Dad is 95 and my Mom is 85. I want to see the Sox become a consistent winning team that wins rings every so often, and if it takes a couple off years here and there to get those rings (not that it has to,) I'm okay with that. I'll be way more pissed getting a comp pick over trading Devers, but I'm still Mr. Devers Forevers!

That's the thing about signing younger players like Devers and Correa to longer term deals. They help now and in the future, so if our true window in 2024-2026, Correa fits perfectly- Devers, too, but we also give the fans something to watch in 2023, and who knows, maybe we repeat 2021 with an even better ending in 2023. Kind of off on a tangent here, but I often hear some posters mention that Bloom took over a championship type team after 2019, because theat team was not so different or far removed from the 2018 team. I ask, why can't they view the 2022 like the 2021 team in the same manner? In most ways, on paper, the winter moved B loom made, improved the team of 2021 (No Richards, no 2021 Perez, No Andries, No Marwin and yes Wacha, Hill, Strahm, Refsnyder and Schreiber- okay, Diekman, too, but still better-- on paper.)

We'd be very tight. The pitcher we sign would have to be a one year deal. We'd have to replace Kike with Rafaela, and let Paxton and Brasier go- that's easy. Who play RF in 2023 and 2024? Dugo? Abreu? Refsnyder? We may have to pay Correa close to $40M. We'd also have some arb raises, next year.

I agree on Correa, but we can get something very good for one year of Devers. We could also allow a team a window to negotiate an extension. I'm thinking the Mets, Padres or Dodger could get that done- maybe even Philly and SF or the Rangers.

I don't understand why they think fans are so dumb that they'd rather get one more year out of Devers and nothing afterwards. I can understand, if we are looking at a good chance at WS win AND we have some young kids coming up, one of which can play 3B, but that is not the case, here, right now.

Maybe Judge can play 14 years- the last 7-9 at DH. The league should not be the ones to judge Judge.

Can you imagine the outrage had the deal been nixed?

Yes, I think Pedey's was the most, unless Bogey did not opt out. This is what I came up with over the last 10-12 years, only: Unofficial... $120/6 Bogey (opt out after $60M/3) $110/8 Pedey $41M/4 Youk $41M/6 Pedey ('09-'14) $30M/4 Buchholz $30M/5 Lester Non Homegrown extensions... $154/7 AGon $145/5 Sale $83M/4 Porcello $68M/4 Beckett $68M/4 Nate $52M/4 Papi

I recall people suggesting he retire- not insisting. The league should have forced him to retire and have Machado pay his remaining salary.

The league was prepared to veto it... https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/12/latest-on-padres-pursuit-of-aaron-judge.html

Most were older than the ones we lost, but Lester was not, and he did better than any of these guys. Betts almost certainly will. Bogey is TBD and Devers hasn't flown the coup, just yet. Who are the top 4 homegrown players over the last 2 decades by size of their contract extensions?

Interesting that the highest paid Sox players of the last decade don't make the top 4 list. $217M Price $154M AGon $145M Sale $142M Crawford (started right before the last decade) $140M Story $110M JD None were/are homegrown, and only Sale was a real extension. (Technically, AGon was, too.)

I would. Maybe try to get him to take $350/14.