moonslav59

I think the idea was to trade JD and cash, but still, if we paid $12M of his deal, then add that to what Schwarber got.

LOL! See previous post.

It was you!

No. I meant what I said. I disliked what happened to Lester, but their plan worked, despite them being wrong about signing any SP'er over 30 to a long term deal. They tweaked that idea and got Price. Lester did better after 30, but the plan worked. DD's plan worked in large part because Bloo, err, I mean Ben, set the table for him by building up prospect trade value.

He should play LF. We are linked to catcher Murphy rumors. The only bats at SS left are Correa and Swanson- neither are likely coming here, unless JH snaps out of this whatever it is. RF seems like the best bet, but we'd have to trade or hope Gallo or Conforto come to life in '23.

Who wrote this, earlier? To me Bloom is desperate. Jansen is nothing but a free falling in my book. Horrible signing. It’s still early and Hopefully I’m wrong but this team is not shaping well —thus far.

Fair enough, but we don't do any better, this year with that swap, and the money total was still more for Schwarbs.

I repeat, Bloom was told to make the one year offer.

We did win a ring after Lester. If that's the whole M.O., sign me up.

Story got $140M/4. I was fine with $160M/6 for Bogey and even said I'd go to $170M/6 or even $180/7. I'm not agreeing with Sox management for not offering that. I'm saying I don't think they felt he was worth even that, back before salaries took off.

Now, I will say, I'm sure discussions took place that involved Bloom, and if it was a close call and Bloom was adamant about not extending him, then he would deserve some criticism, if you think Bogey was worth signing at about $160M/6, a year ago. We will probably never know, but we do know Bloom did not have the final say on this, the Betts deal and the Story signing, too. Hell, they may have even had to okay the Jansen and martin deals.

Strahm signs with Phillies for $15M/2. That was a good signing by Bloom, last winter, but someone will think it was so bad he "let him walk." We got him for $3M/1. DD paid $15M/2. Hurray for DD!!!!

LOL. People can blame Bloom all they want on Bogey, but this was what JH & Co. wanted, or else he's still a Red Sox.

That could be a real option. Segura might take a 1-2 year deal, as well. Adam Frazier is 30 and has never had a negative bWAR.

Because he's young and cost controlled, he has more value. I'm not handing him away. I'm suggesting we add more value and get someone much better with less control or slightly better with the same control due to the value added by other players included in the trade. Another possibility is to get a better pitcher who has a higher salary, which we can absorb. I like Houck, a lot. Suggesting a trade does not always mean I value him less than others do- not that you said that.

So, you think he talked JH & Co. out of extending Bogey?

Isn't that who we were talking about, or am I totally lost on this one?

I'm all in on Devers Forevers, but if they are going to let him walk, trade him, this winter. They may be waiting to extend him, so the tax hit starts, next season. I'm thinking they have to know the public relations hit they'd take by losing him, even by trade. I really have to think they know another big hit could be very damaging to their bank account success. I think they extend him, but my hopes are lessening.

Is it a lie to think they "wanted Bogey," but only at their price? Again, I'm not defending the Sox top brass. I agree with you on them not ever wanting to pay Bogey what they knew he'd get, but that is technically not the same as not "wanting him." Yes, they played games with the media and fans. They did not fool anybody- same with Lester, although I think their final and late offer fooled some fans into thinking they made an effort (not me.) I think the picture is becoming clearer: Bloom is not "in over his head," the marionette strings are above his head. He has done a fine job shielding upper management from criticism, until now.

Could Houck be a trade candidate, or does his health have to be roven, before any trade is made? Maybe package Houck with any of the 3-Ds: Downs, Duran and Dalbec. If we can get a better pitcher by adding players or prospects and making room on the 40 for Yoshida and Jansen, maybe it can happen, soon.

I see why you did not want to divulge. Glad he's a Met.

Still not a typical BorA$$ move. It was a good extension for the Sox, but we'll only remember the lowball. I'm not defending this lowball or Lester's. They both sucked. We could have signed Bogey to $160M/6 then traded him, if we didn't like his projection.

It looks like 6-7 idiot teams are showing off.

He "let him walk?" Schwarber chose to leave. Oh, and he also traded scraps to get Schwarber, too. Was that a "mistake?" It's so easy to just pick out mistakes. Maybe we sign Schwarber and not Wacha, Hill and Strahm.

Many owners and GM make more than 2 or 3 big mistakes. The fact that all of them have been within 3 years with a Devers calamity pending, I get your point. Many of us saw tough times coming. JH did, too. That's one reason he hired Bloom and set building up the farm and 40 man depth/foundation as the goal (IMO). In that context, none of this should be shocking. Upsetting, maybe, if you don't share the view or think they are overplaying that priority, but JH is still spending big. Since the CC and AGon deals, only Price was mega large and mega long, and that one bit him (and us) in the ass after 2018. On paper, the farm looks much better. It's fair to say "what good is on paper," if we don't use it to win, but I think they are sticking to the long game plan, and in theory, it seems to be the best plan, IMO. Most of the consistently winning teams have strong and deep farms. We have just gotten to or close to that point, and this was supposed to be the winter we could maybe break out and move towards acquiring top quality vs decent quantity. I was all for at least some shift towards that idea. The Story and Yoshida signings kinda fit that shift, and getting two more than decent RP'ers was a must. I'm feeling down, too, but I have not lost hope in "the plan," even if they won't articulate the exact plan to the fanbase. We have $43M to spend- maybe $40M and keep a buffer for the deadline. We need 2-3 key additions and one could be by trade. All is not lost, just yet.