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Unless, somehow, someway, our GM could have and would have convinced JH to not slash the budget from 2019 to 2020, what other choices did we have? Trading Bogey & Sale? We only spent something like $15-20M in the winter of 2019-2020 after not replacing Porcello and a few other departing players and trading away the salaries or Betts and 1/2 Price. I think the total budget slash was close to $60M. To me, it's revisionist history to think we could have build a supporting team around Betts on the budgets provided Bloom in 2020, 2021 and 2022. It seems like trading Betts & Price was a given. We'd have wasted 3+ years of Betts and likely not been bad enough to get Mayer in the draft.
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If anything, these last 3 years proved just how little support Betts would have had around him through his prime years. He turns 31 this October. Imagine the roster we had the last 3 years, and then subtract all the players we signed to keep the budget equal to what Betts and 1/2 Price would have cost. Couple that with a farm that provided Houck, Dalbec, Duran and names I don't want to mention, and the picture looks pretty clear, to me., Now, with some of the deadwood contracts off the books, a promising farm already contributing our projected starting 1B (Casas), 2 SPs (Bello & Whitlock) and a key RP (Houck), and the addition of several more meaningful FAs (Yoshida, Kluber, Turner, Jansen, Martin & Duvall) than in any of the last 3 seasons, and maybe all 3 combined, yes, I'd say conditions are much more favorable for adding support players around a homegrown star.
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The 5 year plan is almost up. Let's see how it plays out.
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Impatience is not a virtue.
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I agree, and I was the guy saying we should give Betts a 14 year deal, but to me, the Betts choice was really JH's. I'm not saying Bloom tried to talk JH into signing Betts, but the idea looked like 5 year plan was needed, and Betts would be nearing post prime by then. Now, the 5 year plan is 1-2 years away from realization, so the Devers case fits better.
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That he did, and to me, that was why he was replaced before "the plan" had a chance to reach fruition. Even the moderate signings in 2013, that led to a ring year, fell off a cliff, afterwards, then Pablito and HRam. The Pedey and AGon extensions had interesting results, too.
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The article does mention it was Bloom that extended Barnes, but nothing, other than he was the union rep, that even hints at he being disgruntled- like Bogey and Vaz. GMs do make moves like this, all the time. It does not surprise me. This is basically Bloom's team, now. Only Sale, Devers and surprisingly Brasier remain from the 40 man roster he inherited. Others were in the system, when he took over, but only those 3 were on the 40 man roster after the 2019 season. Those in the system, added afterwards (current rank on 4 man roster seniority): 4. Dalbec 8. Houck 9. Mata 13. Duran 14. Crawford 16. Bello 24. Casas 27. Rafaela 28. Walter 29. Murphy 13 out of 40 is less than a third. Non 40 Man Roster Prospects on the farm from prior to Bloom: 10. Perales 11. Paulino 12. Wikelman 14. Lugo 16. Bonaci Bloom's stamp is clear and present.
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We didn't go all in, this winter, so I tend to agree: Bloom my not NEED to win to keep his job another year or two, but I do think they want to see marked improvements and a brighter future after this year is over. If we have a ton of injuries, and our vets underperform, again, that might not all be blamed on Bloom. Yes, he's the one who decided to signing so many injury prone players (not named Sale,)[ but when you are not allowed to go large and long on the best of the best, it's a given you are stuck with less than the best or high risk players. I'm not so sure a Yoshida flop would be pinned all on Bloom. It seems the scouts have wanted this guy for a very long time. I do think there is a chance Bloom is gone, if we look bad in 2023, and maybe he will deserve to be axed, but it's not a sure bet.
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Sums it up very nicely. At the risk of sounding like a broken record, our farm was giving us just Houck over a 5 year period between Devers in 2017 and Bello/Casas in 2022. We were, sadly, not ready to "provide the support" needed around Betts. The "context" wasn't there. With Devers, the situation seems better suited for providing support around him. We'll see how it works out.
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Fangraphs has the Sox 2023 Payroll at $192M, which ties us for 11th with SFG. They have our lux tax payroll at $218M (11th most, but just $1M under TEX, $2M under LAA and $3M under CHC. Our $135M commitments for 2024 place us 5th, but we fall to 10th in 2025 commitments at $76M.
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We had 15 different pitchers start at least 1 game, and not just because of injury. 11 guys started 3 or more games and 9 started 5 or more. 4 of the top 5 SP'ers had 22 or more GS'd, but yuckaddodle! 34 ERod 3.81 ERA 32 Porcello 5.52 (dropped off a cliff) 25 Sale 4.40 (the year he turned from Chris Freakin' Sale to Freakin' Chris Sale.) 22 Price 2.28 12 Nate 5.99 The pen had a half a run better ERA than the starters, but with no Kimbrell, Kelly and others, only Workman, Barnes and Walden kinda shined: IPin relief only RP ERA 73 Workman 1.88 78 Walden 3.81 64 Barnes 3.78
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It wasn't just bad luck that doomed the 2019 season. The team had serious flaws. We had worse luck in 2020 and 2022 than 2019, in terms of injuries. A lot of blame was thrown at "restgate," but seriously, some players just underachieved... like the 2012 rotation that all imploded in the same season.
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Can we ignore the 2022 team record and just say it was the same team as 2021?
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Yes, I know what you were saying, and I pointed out how the 2019 was NOT the same as 2018, because Kimbrel, Kelly, Nunez and others were gone. I also did not say they were "just a .500 team." I said the barely reached .500, and they did. by just 4 games. Yes, the squad had talent on paper, but a few were in decline, a few became injury issues, and a few underperformed expectations in 2019. It was not the same team.
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All true. He had about 20 slots to fill on a dollar ninety-nine, so we got what we paid for. The Perez and Springs additions could be viewed as good- just 2 years too early, but yes, they all pretty much sucked. After being forced to trade Betts and Price and not replace Porcello and other money coming off the books, he spent about $15M on 5 non min wage players... $6M Perez $4.2M Pillar (traded at deadline) $2.9M Peraza (complete bust) $2.5M Moreland (traded at deadline) $1.5M lucroy (complete bust) $850K osich (traded at deadline) Non-arb additions at min wage or close to it: Covey McHugh Brice Brewer MHall Arauz (Rule 5) KHart CMazza JSprings
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Not really. No Kimbrell, Kelly or Nunez and then the 2020 team lost, beyond cut or traded contracts (Betts, price, Porcello, Pearce...) saw ERod and Sale miss the whole 2020 season. If people want to blame Bloom for 2020, fine. I don't. Sure, his low budget moves almost all failed, and I had hoped he would have done better, since that was his M.O., it's hard for me to count much of anything in 2020 against Bloom.
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When you are forced to cut $60M from a team that barely reached .500 the previous year, I'm not sure about how much expectations should be factored into results. People wonder why he signs so many players with injury histories- well, they cost much less.
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No love. Slightly better than crap can still be pretty smelly. We were also talking pen work: Weber: 7.11 SP (1.056 OPSA) 2.25 RP (.583) His pen sample size was about twice the size of Stock's.
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cots has $119M on the tax budget, which includes benefits. Last year's opening day was $84M, but it ended up over $97M. Spotrac has $114M.
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No. bWAR 1.2 Weber 0.5 Valdez 0.0 Stock As RP'er Only WHIP 1.000 Weber (24 IP) 1.615 Valdez (30 IP) 1.950 Stock (13 IP) OPSA .583 Weber .790 Valdez .826 Stock
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Adding future trade capital.
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Should that have been in green? Phillips Valdez and Weber did fine from the pen.
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They'll trade him right before he declines.
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True, but early on, they had some top picks and got David Price with one and Longoria for a 3rd pick overall.
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Here's the list: 2003: Matt Murton & Abe Alvarez for Cliff Floyd 2005: Ellsbury Lowrie for OCab (made that trade the deal that just kept giving- see 2014) Hansen & Bowden for DLowe (Later, Hansen helped us get J Bay) Buchholz & Egan for Pedro 2006: Bard & K Johnson for Damon Clay & Bates for Mueller 2007: Hagadone for Gonzo (Part of trade that got us VMart) R Dent for Foulke 2008: B Price for Gagne 2010: Vitek & Ranaudo for Wagner (Later, Ranaudo was traded for Robbie Ross.) Workman & Brentz for J Bay (Later, Workman & Hembree got us Pivetta) 2011: Barnes & Owens for VMart JBJ & Swihart for Beltre (Later, Swi was traded for Marcus Wilson) 2012: B Johnson & P Light for Papelbon (Light was later traded for Abad.) Ben 2014: Kopech for Ellsbury (Later, helped us get Sale.)
