moonslav59

And what the players do on the field may adversely affect what the FO does at the deadline.

It’s not easy to get a team ti trade a good pitcher before the deadline. They prefer to wait until the desperation hour sets in and better offers are made.

We can't keep losing games like this one and the last one in OAK. My confidence is beginning to waiver.

I'd be fine with ERod, coming back, despite the worries about his issues, last year. I'm not sure he'd be my first pick. If he finishes out the year, well, he will get a better contract on the open market.

At this point, that money looks safer than it did in March. Okay, throw out ERod from the list, if you please. The point remains the same. It won't cost much to get one of the rentals. (We could even get two.)

Yes- Duvall not Dugo. Duvall is also .707 in June with 7 rbi in 40 PAs, which is about 105 over 650.x I responded to the post that said "Duvall continues to du-little." He has not been bad in July and has been very good over the last 7 games.

Everybody get ready? Everybody Wong-Chang, tonight!

Mi Casas es tu casas.

His 1.039 OPS in his previous 7 games really sucks.

Maybe he is the one guy Cora should be resting. You'd think the 4 day AS vacation might have helped.

If you go by BTV, do the math... Current Value of 2 month Rentals 9.7 Giolito CWS 8.8 Montgomery STL 8.5 Snell SDP 6.1 Stroman CHC 5.7 ERod DET 2.1 W Miley MIL Current value of possible return players: 9 Alcantara & Romero 6 Paulino 5 Drohan 4 Perales, Wikelman, EValdez & Walter 3 Meidroth & E R-C 2.5 Hickey & Brannon 2.4 Abreu, DHam, Jordan & Monegro 2.2 Bastrado, Mata & Murphy 2.1 Encarnacion 2.0 Guerrero, Castro, Refsnyder, Bonaci, Fernandez, Blalock & Lugo There should be no need to trade "prized prospects" for any of these rentals listed. I would probably not trade Romero for any of them, but it might take that.

Two ground ball singles are grounds for DFA.

The Jays tried hard to re-sign him and reportedly interested in trading for him, now. You'd think they'd know if being a "headcase" is an issue.

It's hard to know. Paulino is SP's #17 prospect. Maybe it would take Paulino and Mata (#18.) It all depends on what one other GM might offer and us topping them. I think Stroman gets traded to the highest bidder. He will not stay with the Cubs for the rest of 2023. Would it take Paulino plus Walter or Murphy? Maybe. Would I do that? Probably. Would the Cubs? It all depends on how their scouts value our prospects offered.

His BTV value is about what Paulino is worth. He is not going to cost 2-3 "prized prospects." If he did, I'm in agreement on not trading for any rental.

Indeed, and that is why there were reportedly only two offers of roughly the same return value. Any judgment of that trade has to be within this context, and to me getting just Dugo for 5 years makes the trade beyond criticism. I'm fine with those who do not think it was a "good trade," but I disagree. Dugo & Wong for 1 year of Betts was a good trade. The Price aspect makes it a no-brainer in my opinion. The Beni trade is certainly still incomplete as Wink a few more pre-arb years, so big gains may come from him. Gambrell is looking promising, finally. de la Rosa is my sleeper prospect who has failed to crack SP's recent top 60 lists. That trade also saved us $3M and IMO, it helped us be able to sign Renfroe. (One could argue we used the $3M on Marwin, instead, and that changes that point to the worse.) Nobody has to convince me the Renfroe trade was not s*****. It sucked from day one, and I said it then. Even the Pivetta trade involved us getting Seabold. Bloom rarely made any trade for just prospects. That's not the typical "Rays' way" of doing things. He has made prospects for prospects trades. The Groome for Hosmer and two prospects was unique for Bloom. He's made trades like Ottavino with German for nothing. He's made vets for vets and prospects often. He's made a few, like Moreland and Pillar for only prospects, and the most recent one was Vaz for Abreu and EValdez, but those seem rarer than the others. He has traded prospects for vets, like Aldo Ramirez for Schwarber, and a few more minor ones for guys like Pham, but those are rare, too.

Yes, I know. My question was about his prospect status and if he should count as a Bloom prospect helping the big league team.

It was the same with the great rotation dump of 2014. We played it halfway or both ways: Lester & Gomes for Cespedes & a comp pick. (Cespedes was later flipped for Porcello.) Lackey & Littrell for Alan Craig & Joe Kelly Doubront for Marco Hernandez Andrew Miller for ERod was the only prospect trade, and it was the best one.

There is also the argument we get more for Betts without Price dragging down the return. Even without counting the in trade prospects, Bloom provided the MLB club with more prospects than I expected in his 3.5 years, especially considering year 1 was COVID year and he drafted almost all HS kids, highly. One can argue these guys aren't great, and I won't disagree, but how much more help did you expect from a GM under these circumstances? Whitlock Bernardino Jacques Was Schreiber a prospects when acquired? I think he had under 30 IP in the bigs w Detroit? Again, I figured it would be 3-5 years for prospects to get to be ML ready (more like 5 with so many HS kids) and another 1-3 years for them to mature and contribute on a regular basis. Those who have no ML experience have values that are subjective and speculative. Only time will tell, and almost any opinion on their value is acceptable.

My guess is all these guys will be heavily shopped: 2 month Rentals w BTV values 9.7 Giolito CWS 8.8 Montgomery STL 8.5 Snell SDP 6.1 Stroman CHC 5.7 ERod DET 2.1 W Miley MIL Maybe some of these: 56.0 Keller (2.3 years remaining) PIT 51.4 Cease (2.3) CWS 40.7 Burnes (1.3) MIL 36.8 Musgrove (4.3) SDP 35.1 Sandoval (3.3) LAA 26.6 S Gray (4.3) WSH 24.1 Canning (2.3) LAA 22.4 Sears (5.3) OAK 21.9 Lynch (4.3) KCR 20.0 Singer (3.3) KCR 10.7 Blackburn (2.3) OAK 4.4 S Lugo (1.3) SDP 2.7 Houser (1.3) MIL -34.5 Verlander (2.3) NYM

That is not untrue. (See how I did that?)

if you replace a negative with a zero WAR guy, the addition by subtraction thing makes some sense, but is still not really accurate. Adding Schreiber should be a big plus. It looks like we may have no scrubs in our pen by mid August. Our pen has been amazingly good and deep, but can get even better from just returning pitchers. Add 2 decent SP’ers and our pen could become the best it’s ever been!

I didn’t expect much on the ML roster from Bloom’s farm in just 3.5 years. It does make sense we should expected something from the Betts, Beni and Renfroe trades that involved prospects, but that is not so cut and dried. All those trades involved getting a vet- Dugo, JBJ and Cordero, and two involved salary relief, as Price was a dump and Beni saved us $3M that one could argue allows us to sign Renfroe for $3M, in the first place. All I’m saying is we have seen some help from Bloom’s farm- more than I expected, by now. Of course they still have more to prove or disprove. I’m excited seeing all the farm help, much of which are DD remnants, but I’m glad we are seeking a more sustainable plan. I have no idea, if it works or not, but I choose optimism in this front.

It's annoying and weird, since you have to do added work to make it like that.

Wink may very well be worth more than Beni gave. Gambrell and de la Rosa are still in play a bit. Wong and Dugo for 1 year of Betts and the Price dump was a good deal, and the best available. Bernardino has helped. He may suck, starting today, but he has looked good. Whitlock was a steal. Valdez and Abreu look very promising. It's not often you get these immediate results from your farm in under 3 years.