moonslav59

Maybe we find some team willing to trade a young Sp'er with 3-5 years of team control. Otherwise, we'll have to fork over a ton of money to extend the guy, so why not just overpay for a FA pitcher and save the prospects for another time or trade?

There goes one fall back option for our second best SP'er to obtain this winter.

I've never felt the majority makes anything true. I certainly don't think one person's view on what he feels the majority believes carries any weight. For all I know, his Big Corner is the corner of Sesame Street and Romper Room Avenue.

I want that, too. I don't expect it, anymore, and we don't have a right to win, again, anymore than at least half the teams in MLB or more.

What does that even mean on The Big Corner?

I said, maybe we should spend up to the line and beyond, but why doesn't every team? I get how we make more money than most, and maybe our owner is richer than most, but every owner can afford to spend to the line. If they all did, we'd expect JH to spend much more, and then more and more. I hope every company owner spends more on his/her employees, but I don't expect it to happen. I'm not making excuses. These guys have shammed us by lying and lying- promising and promising. They have spent more than most teams fort as long as I can remember. Now we want more? I totally expect our GM to be good enough to get us to winning with our budgets. They have not for 5 years. I like the longer term future outlook. I think we can win, again. I think we can win in 2024 or 2025, if a major investment is made, but I don't expect it.

Some of these teams have not seen revenue jumps that match their spending jumps, percentage wise. I'm thinking NYM and TEX. The Dodgers mint money from their TV contract. They are in a class by themselves.

I hope we do. I don't expect it. I don't demand it. Maybe we should spend to the tax line and maybe go to the second one, every now and then. Maybe 2 years in a row when "in a window," but it's not for me to demand JH do it. Okay, he does not have to spend to the level of lunacy for us to compete, and we should have won more than we did by spending what we did after 2018. I agree.

LMAO! I certainly prefer to watch us win more than we lose, and win an occasional ring, but I will always watch and root for the Sox- no matter what. I don't go to games much, anymore. I don't by jerseys. I don't expect us to win every 5 years, or even 10 or 15. I hope we do. I think we can and should, if we spend top 6-12, every year. I'll be upset when we don't. That's about it.

No doubt. On a lesser level, we let Kimbrell and Kelly go with no contingency, and the wheels began to come off. My point was, we won before while letting top stars go. That cannot be the only reason we aren't winning, now. It's a combo of... letting stars go without replacing them in kind or even close to in kind. cutting the budget radically, then talking 3 years to get back to the 2018-2019 level. poor decisions on building up the 26 man roster. concentrating more on the 40 and farm than the 26. going for quantity over quality. an emphasis on oft-injured players... I'm sure I missed some major factors.

So, that means we have to spend more than everyone else? The Dodgers make a mint off their TV deal, does that count? Other teams have larger stadiums with more seats. Look, I'm not arguing we don't have reasons to spend more, or that JH should not. My point is about a general sense of entitlement. We've been a top of top 3-5 spending team for much of the last 2 decades or longer, and few teams pass us to knock us down to #12th or 14th, and we expect JH to join the lunacy, or he has to go.

His big signings have not paid off, either (yet.) The Schwarber trade was good. The Pivetta trade was mentioned. Abreu and EValdez for 2 months of Vaz looks good. McGuire for a salary dump was okay. Wink for Beni & Gambrell might work out well. He's had a few bad ones, too, especially JBJ.

The only successful businessmen are those who concentrate all of their resources into just one venture. Thus spoke The Big Corner.

Red's Big Corner, where he goes to hear what the "true" pulse of Sox Nation thinks is the final arbiter. None of us can possibly know what a wide variety of opinions exists outside our little corner at Talksox. We all need to just get out more, and we'll see the light and agree with Red on everything. The majority of Sox Nation or what he thinks the majority thinks can never be wrong... (I don't want to bother putting this in green.)

Yes, but not because JH spent less than other years. Our payroll has been top 4 in Sox history in 2 of the last 3 seasons. It's been top 5 in the last 3 seasons (not adjusted for inflation, granted.) Other teams are spending like maniacs, and we get pissed Jh won't.

Yes, we forced many to "walk." Others chose to walk or were never offered a new contract.

Only Cora matters, right? Thus spoke The Big Corner.

Will you stop this whole you are the only worldly one on this site, unless we "see and hear" what you do? I used to chuckle at it. Now it's tiring and boring.

What is going on with the Sox payroll? The real problem is what's going on with more and more other teams' payrolls. CB Tax lines: (from 2004-2011, pre CB Tax, it was $116M to $174M) $Millions 178 in '12 178 '13 186 '14 199 '15 204 '16 192 '17 239 '18 244 '19 185 '20 208 '21 236 '22 222 '23 The Devers extension kicks in in 2024 and the tax line is $237M in 2024.

Like when I said we might be spoiled, you answered, You still don’t get it at all. Spoiled? How does not liking finishing in last place 3 out of the last 4 years being spoiled? Where did I equate "not liking" finishing in last place 3 of 4 years to being spoiled. You took it to that point. It wasn't even close to the point I was making. Everything is black and white to you, then you fall back on, "we all have our opinions" BS. Many expect JH to spend whatever it takes to win. Many expect our GMs to get things right, almost all the time, and if we don't beat out 20 other teams enough time, head must roll. To me, you can be pissed at GM incompetence. You can be upset the filthy rich owner doesn't spend enough, but join the club of other team fans that lose more than the win. It's my opinion, Sox fans feel entitled to win every few years, or the blame game kicks into hyperdrive. I admit, I do it, too, sometimes, but to me, this can be seen as being spoiled. When the team had not won a ring in 80+ years, I did not get the sense of Sox fan entitlement. I think we got spoiled, once we won 1, 2 then 3 rings. After the 4th ring, it seems to be expected, or else. Just my opinion. Cue: how the big corner disagrees and I'm in a tiny minority who refuses to understand other disagree beyond what I read, here.

Sox meet with Yamo... https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/12/yoshinobu-yamamoto-rumors-red-sox-blue-jays.html

No. I'd be happy with Burnes (extended) and Lugo plus a good all around 2Bman.

If it is, the sham should be clear for all to see, even if we add a decent 2Bman, Catcher and RF'er, too.

I'm thinking we sign Monty or Lugo. We'll trade Mayer, Yorke and whoever pitcher out of Wikelman, Perales or one from the 26 man roster that Brez likes the least for an ace type pitcher

I could see this, easily. Who is our second arm? A trade? Flaherty? Giolito? Lorenzen?