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Happy to be proven wrong but I've seen no reports saying ownership is barring him from trading any of the top 3. Every report I've seen is saying Breslow isn't keen. We'll see how limited he is in the coming months. It's all guesswork outside of it looks like he has a budget to work to. And even then, no concrete proof is available right now.

I think it would be quite obvious that having a far more intimate understanding of players and the game and it's nuances would help CBO's identify different things that simple analysts won't. Breslow is clearly very smart. The added actual baseball knowledge certainly won't hurt. But this is beside the point, I was pointing out how different the life experiences Breslow and Bloom have had after Yale and that lumping them together is the kind of lazy crap you see off some of our more excitable posters. On your last point. I don't disagree. As I mentioned yesterday it was clear Werner just spoke out of turn and got too excited. I don't know why it's still being talked about. In terms of having a lesser pool to pick from. I think this the direct result of two things: - Ownership bringing in DD to go big and win, which he did, then sack him; bringing in Bloom to rebuild the farm, trade Mookie and do everything on a budget, which he did, then sack him. - The looming presence of Cora and his interest in the front office. Point 2 would be a concern. Point 1 would be enough for most sensible people to say 'no thanks'. They seem to want to try the Bloom experiment again (and go back to type) but this time with a man who isn't beset with doubts about his own decisions.

I wasn't saying you were using cerebral as insult. If you read my post again you'll see every point is in reference to comparison. You are lazily comparing them to take another shot at ownership and using cerebral as the adjective to deliver it. The fact they both went to Yale and were both lacking in experience at the very top of Front Office management is about all there is (and even then you have next to no idea exactly what experience and workload they did have). Breslow has sat in locker rooms for years, learned how to hone his craft, given and taken advice to and from other players. Delivered under huge pressure with a full stadium cheering or booing him. Won a WS. The experience he brings to this role when it comes to what the team may or not need is a different galaxy to Bloom. They're different people with vastly different life experiences once they left school. This, I'm sure, would have counted for a lot. Tying them together because they're both smart is just flat out lazy. You (along with many others) are at a point where everything points to the evil/stupidity of ownership right now. And when someone is there it's just constant confirmation bias.

Sure.

You know what you were suggesting by calling them both 'cerebral types'. Breslow was an MLB major league pitcher and World Series winner. The fact they both went to Yale is about where the comparisons end. Distrust Henry all you like (there's certainly plenty of reasons to) but that's about as lazy a comparison as it's possible to make. It's the kind of thing people who really can't be bothered to put much thinking into their opinions would post. And that's not you.

I don't know what this has to do with my point either, but okay.

Yeah, I wasn't making the point you were wanting me to.

Little to argue with here. In their defence (which might not seem like it but I don't really like doing ha!) most large contracts, especially to pitchers in their 30's tend to be not good. They're not wrong to balk at these contracts. But as I mentioned the other day, the rest of the organisation isn't particularly successfully set up at the moment either. Although there are clear shoots of improvement.

I think you must know this is a ridiculous point.

This is a fair point. But they obviously believe that they can do this in a more economical way and are going to try knocking on that door until they can find the person with the right key (in this case they're hoping it's Breslow). We'll have to see if they are right. If they are, they'll be making money hand over fist while having a much lower payroll than people would like.

No, I'm saying that splurging money is no guarantee of success. Apart from the useless 2020 win, they haven't won it all in a while and consider themselves failures for not doing so. Their words, not mine. Regardless, let's not get away from the point. Business people try to gain as much as they can from as little as possible. Such is the world. Nothing Henry and co are doing this year is different to what they've done in years past. Success while being as economical as possible. It's like people are just noticing. I guess this is why the 'full throttle thing' just will not die, even though people should have seen it for the bluster it was the moment it left his lips.

I know, which backs up my point - all these people screaming that he needs to dip into his pocket to spend money because he has billions is a tiringly stupid point.

That's worked out great for them so far. Business people will try to make things work for as cheap as possible. This is the way the capitalistic part of the world works. Why what Notin is saying is a surprise to anyone is beyond me.

I'm pretty sure that's estimating his net worth (so all assets he owns). Very difficult to get personal wealth details. But they're very usually gargantuanly lower.

The Red Sox should be learning from the Ray, the Dodgers and the Braves. Any team that's doing things better than you is to be learned from.

I think Steve Cohen coming in and spending like a drunken sailor has skewed people's minds a little. And even he is pulling back now.

I see quotes that Henry is a billionaire all the time, but is he? Genuine question. I know he's part of ownership groups who's assets are worth billions, but that is a very different thing. Anyone know is own personal wealth?

Yes, we certainty don't want to emulate 5 years in a row in the play offs. Would ruin the excitement of early draft picks.

John Heyman has said the Sox are in on Soler but the suspicion is we will be outbid again. So put it in the books. He's a Sox player.

We've also both said that this off season has been a dumpster fire for baseball insiders. Nothing is locked in until it's locked in. But I agree, it doesn't look great.

Haha! I mean I think you've both jumped the shark a little bit, but you're both indicative of just how disillusioned this fanbase has become with an ownership group that seems intent on mocking them, not least with sky high ticket prices. It won't happen, but if the Sox fans voted with their feet, and I mean really voted with their feet. s*** would change in a hurry. Liverpool fans took them on and won.

Boras has form for this. He often holds his players back and they rarely do poorly out of it. I think there's enough teams out there needing pitching that will pony up. Desperation goes both ways. That said, if it does go as you think - I hope we snatch Monty (even though he seems intent on going back to Texas). Don't want Snell.

You two are locked in a depression cycle!

Ugh! I was on board with us getting him. I didn't know about any of this stuff, though. Grim.

This is the point. All the other stuff people are getting angry about this off season is mainly fantasy and guess work (which may come to be true come first pitch of the season), but hiding away really isn't a good look at all. That said, every time they open their mouths they stick their expensive shoes in them. It's possible they just plan to ride out all the noise (and by God there's a lot) until they present a more presentable team to play this season. It is also possible that they are saying nothing because telling everyone what they want to do adds dollar signs and higher rated prospects to potential deals. But they've made it very hard to trust it could be any of the above.