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These are different points and ones I agree with you on. I do believe they will spend the money, but it will be next year. Which does little to help us this year.
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You've also been quick to comment that Cotillo knows little in the past tbf.
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People need to give this s*** a rest. It's beyond childish and utterly lacking in facts. The football team is a separate entity that runs off its own financials successes or failures. Money is not sliding over from the Red Sox.
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I hear you. I don't disagree with any of this. I did wonder if this precedes a huge deal for a pitcher coming up. But that may well be me just looking for something that isn't there. I do think moving Hicks back the bullpen will see him return to the form before the Giants tried to make him a SP. Not that it makes it too much more palatable.
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I'm not so sure. I don't think it's the main reason for sure, but we've seen the Giants strike out on several big name players despite matching the money because they didn't look like a club in a good spot at the time. It's OTT example, but if the A's offer you $320m, and the Padres offer you $300m, you're going to the Padres.
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Keith Law is higher on him, and still very high on Harrison. "Rightfielder James Tibbs III was the Giants’ first-round pick last year out of Florida State, and while his minor-league tenure to date hasn’t looked great on paper, he’s had a lot of bad luck on balls in play and is a better player than the stat line implies. He’s hitting .245/.377/.480 in High A this season, walking (16.3 percent) almost as often as he’s striking out (17.9 percent), and the BABIP gods have started shining a little more on him — he’s at .292/.402/.656 with a .300 BABIP over the last month, which is a lot more in-line with what he should be doing at that level."
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I mean, some of the logic tracks, some doesn't. I think a lot of people are too angry to think much through logically today - I don't blame them. The timing is absolutely mental. I cannot get my head around that part.
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Like I said, I can't wrap my head around the return right now. But regardless of whether they wanted it done quickly, it doesn't mean they just jumped at the first offer. I doubt Devers market would be as robust as some would like to think it is.
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It's easy to say this with hindsight. Nobody thought this was coming a week ago.
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I really don't know what to make of the return. I do know it'll be years before we can accurately measure it.
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It was during the game, no? (I might have this wrong, I've not seen it, either).
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Yeah, but their best hitter was part of that. He now no longer is. There is a chance this deflates the clubhouse. Might do the opposite, too, of course.
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We absolutely do not know that. I know there's (rightly) anger over this, but we don't know what went on behind the scenes, and like it or not, Breslow and Henry are smart guys. They aren't just taking anything, they'd have taken what they see as the best offer for them.
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As I mentioned on the last page, there's plenty of blame to go around on this one (as in Devers past 3 months). The smile thing was a crazy point, but Devers was out of order with some of his behaviour, too. Just a sad situation, and annoying it couldn't be fixed.
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I think it likely comes down to performance, both personal and the team. If he he continues hitting the way he did pre-injury I think he probably opts out anyway. But if he does okay and the team sells off further or just tailspins, I think that would do it, too.
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Grades from The Athletic boys. Andy McCullough Giants: C Red Sox: B Dennis Lin Giants: A- Red Sox: C- Tim Britton Giants: B Red Sox: B- Eno Sarris Giants: B+ Red Sox: C+
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I think the biggest harm of this could come from a continuation of what we've seen of people being wary of signing with the Sox. From FO leaders to players. When you signal too often that you're willing to send on the very best players you have, you stop being an attractive option to people wanting to win.
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MassLive.com’s Chris Cotillo followed up and said he didn’t request a trade out of Boston. "A source with knowledge of the Red Sox-Rafael Devers relationship described it tonight as 'an unsalvageable situation for both parties.' Devers was frustrated with mixed messaging from 'different voices' in the organization," Cotillo said. "Felt like a scapegoat. The root was what the player felt was disorganized communication from the jump this year. "As we reported, it never got to the point where he *demanded* a trade. That doesn’t mean he didn’t welcome one. Conversations took place over months."
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Cotillo and McAdams both said at the time of the 1B blowup, that they heard rumblings that some players were unhappy that he wouldn't help the team, and others that thought he was in the right to dig in. I'd love to know the split on that. One thing is for sure, you can't go sounding off at your bosses. Be annoyed, argue it out in private, but doing what he did was not good.
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But at least wait so you don't have to face him in a few days! 😐
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I'm not sure he will at all. The reaction from the majority is one of shock and anger I'd say. He was very much loved. That said, I do fall somewhat on your side of things, he really was a bad teammate this year, even if he did have the right to be very angry over some things. Mookie is definitely the worst. No comparison. The timing of this move is the biggest WTF for me.
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We couldn't give Yoshida and Story's contracts away, never mind get back young stars for them.
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Well this was a shocker. I do not understand why people continue to want to blame just one party for the Devers clusterf***. they all have blame on this one. The Sox should have handled it better at the outset when they kept telling him Bregman was being lined up as a 2nd baseman. They were full of s*** and lied to his face. Devers should understand that a paycheck like that (and even if it wasn't like that) - the team comes first and you need to do whatever you can for your teammates to win. Cora could have handled it all better. It is what it is, hopefully we'l learn from it, though evidence suggests not. Devers attitude has flat out sucked at points this year, yet he's played injured and without complaint plenty over the years. Just a shame it's come to this. My biggest problem with it (leaving out evaluating the return for now) is the timing. Why now? We've just supercharged our season, and we have the Giants in a series in a few games time! Absolutely wild. This will mean a revolving door at DH which is no bad thing. How the team responds to this will show us a lot. The Yankees will be the happiest people out of anyone. I do wonder if this is the first of two huge moves and a Skeenes-type pitcher is who we target next.
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A Realistic View of the 2025 Red Sox: Part II
Hitch replied to moonslav59's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
I can't be bothered to do the research on this one, but I'd be interested in our record against better teams in comparison to worse teams this season. I may just have recency bias, but it feels like we have really stumbled with the lesser teams and held held our own with the better. I'm loving Narváez's growth, too. I was vocally excited about that trade at the time. Everything I'd read and heard about him made me think we had a good one. But I didn't think he'd be this good this early. This carries on he's a got a real shot at ROY. Nice to see Wong relegated to a back up role for which he's best suited. -
I'm not moving the goalposts, I am responding to a moving conversation. I doubt very, very much the Red Sox want Anthony to win ROY/finish in the top 2. Very much. They'd be delighted if Campbell and/or Narváez are in the top 2 for obvious reasons. Thy'd be very happy if Anthony plays well I've no doubt, but they also will not want to lose that year of control. especially on a team that is still some way from the finished article. Teams like to control their star young players and manipulate service time. This isn't new, or remotely controversial.
