FredLynn

We might not get Hamels, but we are certainly going to have to try. There are several other great FA SP that come available after this bridge year is over. We will have the money to get at least one, maybe two,and failure to do so means more bridge years are in our future. When will these guys realize that we need great pitching to compete in the ALE? Are they really that stupid? Or maybe they just can't judge talent. Pretty frustrating.

Seriously? Because I misspelled Buchholz several times, that "invalidates" the statistics I showed you? Talk about lame..... No, I don't have a lot of disagreements with you. You are correct. I have an issue, however, with THIS post from you: I'm not shocked you don't think Buchholtz has much talent. You consistently misspell his name. That tells me you haven't put too much thought into him one way or the other. As for fans "being led to believe" that the team is good or not, some fans make their own opinions and independently come to the conclusion that the team isn't as bad as you say. It doesn't mean they are lemmings. I don't blame you for not wanting to get into discussing CB with me. There is ample evidence to support my position and when I ask to see yours, you give me an opinion that sounds like "today is Tuesday". CB had been in the majors since 2007. Thats five years, and its enough time to demonstrate your skills up in the majors. He did it once for a full year, and even then it was for under 175 innings. No problem: I realize that you don't want to discuss this any more, and I don't blame you. As for the second part of your comment, I want to see how those fans who think that this team isn't that bad came to that conclusion. Here is today's pitching rankings from ESPN that shows that we are still in 13 place in the AL and not improving, nearly a full run per game worse than the ROYALS: http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/team/_/stat/pitching/year/2012/seasontype/2/league/al Here are the standings this morning: http://espn.go.com/mlb/standings And here are some stats from selected "stars" from this team for this year: http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/gonzaad01.shtml http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/y/youklke01.shtml http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/saltaja01.shtml If you or anyone else thinks that this team "isn't that bad", show me why not. For the record, I agree with your other post that this is another "bridge year". I call it a rebuilding year; call it what you like. I also think that the FO ought to be honest with the fans about that.

I admit that I take great pleasure in THINKING. You should try it sometime. If you disagree with what I have written, show me the evidence that supports your position. When I wrote that Buchholz has had a single good full season with the team, I submit that as a fact. That would be in 2010. It takes more than one good season to PROVE that you have the talent to pitch in the major leagues. Aaron Cook had one good season. Is he talented too? Here is my proof about Buchholz: http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/buchhcl01.shtml Show me yours. Now as to how good this team is or is not, that too should be discussed in factual terms. One can say that today is Tuesday because thats your opinion, but its not as valid an arguement as presenting a calendar that PROVES that today is Sunday. I have presented statistics over and over again to support my opinion that our pitching stinks and that we are also weak in other areas, but I have yet to see anything from you and some others here besides "that is just my opinion". Some opinions have more validity than others-the ones supported by facts. Wouldn't you agree?

That is exactly correct. Tim Lincecum has a career ERA of 3.06 and a WHIP of 1.198 (Hamels is 3.38/1.139). Even if you adjust for the ALE he would be likely be better than anything we have now. Hamels would probably be another Lester. One serviceable #3 SP is plenty for me.

I split from the game thread. Its hard to waste time watching such garbage. You guys here on the thread are all great, but if I am here on the game thread that means I have to watch the game too. Besides, I had to plant the vegetables in the soil today. Better things to do than watch this disgusting team, in other words. I have no problem trading our offensive pieces for good or great pitching. And yes, we need a reliable ace. It should be clear the neither Beckett nor Lester is an ace; they are complimentary #3 SP IMO. Buchholtz has to prove he can still pitch. He has the rest of this year to do it because this is a lost year anyway and we can afford to let him wallow in it for a while. The team is a mess. And its really NOT very talented, at least not talented enough. Time to blow it up.

I would prefer Lincecum to Hamels; and I don't think Buchholtz has much talent. He had ONE full season for us that was good. The rest of the time, its the deer in the headlights look.

You guys have fun watching this game. Or not. As for me, I am outta here for greener pastures.

Turn it off Jung. Its not worth the aggravation. I hope more and more fans vote with their feet. Thats the ONLY way to hurt the ownership and force a change in the product they are stuffing down our throats.

Apparently not SFF. Seems that he sucks too. His very short rope is at an end. Today, for me, this game is over. It was over after the Orioles scored their first run because of how it was scored. More sloppy baseball. Frankly, I have better things to do that watch this sorry bunch of loser bums all summer, and I plan on doing them. Until they offer a product worth watching, well, there are alternatives. This team sucks.

Game over. Outta here. This team stinks.

This game is almost over. Already.

Lavarnway, at least.

More LOBsters. ANOTHER bad start.

One man's molehill is another man's mountain. I don't like dishonesty in any form. I don't like being lied to. That is apparently more tolerable for some fans than it is to me. You are right: its pretty simple. Some people tolerate dishonesty and others call out the liars when its noticed.

Lets admit it: this is a crappy team that will be battling all year long to get out of the cellar. I would like an apology from John Henry for putting this group of losers on the field and calling them a Red Sox baseball team.

Yup. Sucks lose again. 11-14 here we come! I am outta here. This team sucks.

You are correct. The Orioles are a better team than we are.

Moralass is about to give it up.

Futility. Thats some offense we have here. We lose tonite and we will be 6.5 games out of first place and even deeper into LAST PLACE, which is where we belong the way we are playing.

Time for Gonzalez to earn his keep, isn't it?