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Moncada and Kopech for Sale - hmmmmmmm Espinoza for someone who could throw a ball - we shall see on this one. I like Benintendi of course but out of this group I was really only saddened by the loss of Moncada although I think that it was a good necessary deal to make.
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You should find nothing i say as being strange. I do not wordsmith. I try to be fairly upfront. I think that Dombrowski is a very talented GM and I do not believe that he ruined anything. I hope that you do not think that I am picking on you or your friends. My comments are direct responses to comments that I do not think are fair.
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Decimate is a far better word than ruin for sure. You are honest at least with yourself. You think that you should have had the job and certainly could have done a better one than DD. Of course I don't agree with you but I like the up front straight forward approach. No playing around - good. Oh, i think that if you had used the word depleted I could agree with you .
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I think that the trades made by DD were absolutely worth it. I really don't think that losing the players that we lost ruined anything. Maybe from a depth perspective I guess but that is about it. I really don't think that there are many players on the roster that should feel particularly safe right now. If you are intent on dumping payroll why would you not try to get rid of anyone who poses a $ problem regardless of how good they might be. I think that Porcello and Bradley are both gone and if we buy the different approach that could happen with ownership I think that if Martinez does not opt out that he will be traded. Lip service is being given To Betts but once again i think that it is quite likely that he winds up playing somewhere else.
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Perhaps it is the choice of wording I guess. Saying that someone ruined something certainly implies that something really bad was done. Using words of exaggeration to attempt to prove a point is something that gets done a lot these days. Having watched the production of the players traded tells me that if trading them caused the ruination then that farm system really was all that good to begin with. I don't agree with the people here who constantly claim that the sole cause of this teams exagerated decline was a result of DD trading the players he traded.
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ok - I think that constantly claiming that Dombrowski ruined the farm is ridiculous. You and some others here have certainly been consistent with the claim. If trading away the players that were traded away to acquire top level ml talent is your example of ruining the farm, I would only say ok - your opinion as well as some others here. I'll keep watching for the all stars that were traded away to really start producing. I think that a more likely approach to this is that there are posters on this site who truly think that they could have done a better job than DD. I understand that no one is going to own this one but I believe it. I guess it might also be obvious that many are very pleased with JH latest statement about cutting payroll. I'm not exactly sure how to take that one but I am not particularly impressed with anyone who is wealthy and can claim that someone else has wasted their money. Soon we will actually find out if he is serious about what he is saying. Get rid of the big money makers and load up on the cheap cost controlled players. Big time trades could also be on the horizon.
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Dave Dombrowski is a well respected GM in ml baseball. I have repeatedly from what 4 or 5 posters here who have constantly complained about the job he did simply because they just don't like his methods. Did he ruin the farm? Not in my opinion at all. he did what he had to do to create what should have been a quality team for years. If the starting pitchers had remained healthy, I believe that we would be gearing up for some fall baseball. I obviously was not in favor of the firing and I certainly do not think that Cora should go but if the consensus is that this team "quit", then Cora needs to figure a few things out. His job is to make sure that they don't quit regardless of what the scoreboard says. If one of these two men had to go and the general feeling is that the team quit, then Cora should be the one pacing his bags.
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Someone must like you very much here or you would not get away with this. Two subjects that i personally try to stay away from and i be that you can guess what they might be.
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likely true based on the potential candidates to replace either.
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major talent?
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I agree that you just can't ignore the business of baseball. My comments really refer to the overall opinion that trading away the players that were traded decimated the farm. It did thin a great deal of players out who really to date it seems would be able to play minor supporting roles. An argument stating that trades could have been done more effectively or that somehow we could have been just as competitive without making some of the big splashes that we made, in my opinion is silly. When playing GM, things always seem easier. Almost as easy as the people here who constantly want to sound as though they know more than they likely do.
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i honestly think that if the starting rotation had remained healthy as expected and that DD had added maybe just one piece to the bullpen, this team would definitely still be in the hunt. I honestly believe that the prospects worth keeping were kept. I don't know what the future may bring but personally it gets tiring to hear that DD decimated the farm by trading away players that quite possibly would never have helped us. the ones that possibly could help us down the line, brought back some pretty good players. Some of this lengthy discussion comes as a result of a difference in philosophy I think.
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Some people here seem to share your sentiments. The but seems to be that some of those same people were not particularly opposed to the trades that were made to allow us to be so very successful. This i find quite ironic. The alternative I guess was to not make many of the trades or to have done exactly what a few posters here have suggested with respect to them. i happen to think that a constant claim that DD destroyed the farm while winning the world series is a little silly. I do also believe that mlb in general has made it very difficult for a team to be successful without a constant production of high level homegrown talent. There is a great deal of hindsight that gets thrown around here so i feel reasonably confident in saying that moving forward I think that it is highly unlikely that anyone traded will become the next super star. Also making ml teams pay a huge penalty for payroll decisions will ultimately allow the very very rich to get very very very richer. I'm ok with that but think about it - you think that is what most of the posters here want to see?
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think it might depend on what the individual thinks is progressive. is it possible you think for a person to disagree with some new ideas that don't necessarily seem progressive to them? I think so. some of the things I see being pushed as progressive I think many believe to be silly.
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I'm an equal opportunity kind of guy. Always have been. I was a history teacher and sometimes these days I do believe that what I was doing was in fact "a tale told by an idiot". Good thing I did some coaching along the way. lol
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notin - what you do not know about me is that I am color blind in the truest sense of the word. I do not care what a person's color happens to be. I think it is great if people want to celebrate such things. i believe and always have believed in the sometimes forgotten concept of the best people getting the jobs based on what they are capable of doing.
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i really hope that the best and most talented person available gets this job regardless of - gender - sexual preferences - religious beliefs - skin color - cultural background - language spoken - etc. etc.
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If you were born when I was born, grew up where I grew up, it would likely have been possible to paint a picture of 90 to 95% of the people living in our area as racist. looking back in history and simply making a statement that anyone was a racist while you look at life through your own window today is a slippery slope as far as i'm concerned.
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I am a very progressive person in fact. it just amazes me how certain words today carry with them different meanings than they ever had before!
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This is a sensible and imo an accurate post. Times have changed for sure. Tito first of course - Williams second - I think I need to see Cora a little longer before he gets close to the bronze. Last year of course was wonderful and magical but the talent level was just incredible as well. i lived through '67 and no one - repeat no one - believed that the Red Sox could put together a season like they did. you could make a pretty good argument suggesting that last year's Red Sox were stronger than the 67 team in every position on the field other left field and maybe first base. When Cora wins while facing some real adversity, i could easily change my opinion. he loses more points with me because of this year as opposed to the ones he gained last year.
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finally thank God! That trade was a very good one. Trades in general are risky but trading an unproven young pitcher who granted showed great potential for a big young left handed ml pitcher with great potential just seems and seemed like a no brainer. if people want to play GM and think that they could have done any of the deals for less than what it cost us, it is tough to argue or even debate with them. I simply say that they really need to get their applications for the job in right away.
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There is really no way that anyone should have Alex Cora ahead of Dick Williams on any list. Sounds nice and coincides with some trendy American "progressive" thought today but there is a bottom line here. Cora at some point in time may become very good but what he was a part of pales in comparison to what was done in 1967 Based on the way this team looks this year, i feel confident in saying this. i also think that you probably assumed someone like me might respond. That's good! lol
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Did you write this or did i ? lol
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You learn a lot more about your team when they go through spells like this than when everything is wonderful. Once again I'm not that guy who is always clamoring for someone to blame and possibly to fire but ultimately the way these guys are playing right now directly relates to what they and their coaches are made of. It isn't easy to be super excited for a game when you know it is over but that is what the good ones do. Most of you know how I feel about Chris Sale. i think having a healthy Chris Sale on the roster is a necessity for this team. he is a tough as they come. I think that it is time for this group to toughen up. Pride is important.
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!!!...!!! Just kidding notin...