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lol So should I!!!
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I think that you might be right but I still don't agree with his statement. I don't think that he represents a #4 #5 starter at all anytime. I really think that for the most part you can just throw a hat over E-Rod, Ricky P., and the Pom Pom. One might even go so far as to say weren't we fortunate that our #3#4 guy from last year won a Cy Young. I don't care what number anyone gives to our starters, in this day and age any pitcher with 16 wins ain't looking too bad.
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Yes I do remember that. That is why we all have to be a little careful with the judgemental comments I think . I'm as a guilty as the next guy of making them but I'm going to try to keep my future comments directed at what I actually see on the field.
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Oh I will try Max - I must have misunderstood what he was saying when he wrote that in his opinion Fox was the greatest right handed hitter of all time. For me, as much as I really didn't care for how he played the game, I would still go with Manny. Willie gets my vote for the greatest of all time.
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ok - give me the list - how many teams in ml baseball have a #4 or #5 starter who has accumulated 16 wins?
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28 - still a kid yes. i get your frustration with him tonight. I'm not so sure that he is quite as bad as you make him out to be. hard to believe that we are about to win the east with this pitching staff that you are so frustrated with Max. I think that your reaction might be a little over the top.
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Fox a better hitter than M. Ramirez/Mays/Aaron?
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left a few things out but still pretty good - unimportance(as in never to be used) of the bunt, hit and run, insignificance of a pitcher's won lost record... lol
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I think that your opinion is worth a lot when it comes to talking baseball as opposed to probability. I like these types of discussions. They are about the actual game as opposed to what the statistical data says the optimal batting order should be. It is a good old baseball discussion.
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I do agree that it was a weird play for sure!
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I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with you about Vazquez playing that one by the book. No runners on base of course he goes down that line. Runners on base not so much. I'm not criticizing him for going after a bad throw but backing up first base on a groundball with runners on the base paths is not a fundamental part of his job. He might head that way with a runner on first but he has to know where everybody is on that fielld. That play is entirely in front of him.
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I think I understand what you are saying. In a perfect world, Vazquez doesn't get near that play. Workman to first following his throw. Moreland to Pedroia - Moreland follows that throw to second - Pedroia's forces Hamilton back to first - ether tags him out or should have been thrown to Workman who tags him out. Never more than 3 necessary to complete any rundown. If Vazquez went after that bad throw, one of those other knuckleheads (only said affectionately) should have had a clue and headed toward the plate. Which one? I don't care - Protocol says maybe the pitcher I guess - I would have thought though that maybe a guy with Pedroia's experience would have seen that one developing and headed toward the plate. Kind of a humorous play to develop and I'm not sure that anyone other than Pedroia gets blamed much here. I would not call that a series of mental mistakes. I would call that one an error on Pedroia and that's it. Sometimes things just happen. Farrell is off the hook on that one.
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I didn't really mean for my post to sound unfriendly Max. My OCD sends me on my way some times.
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I like your post here Max. Sale to me is a great example of a great pitcher who I knew very little about other than the fact that he could pitch when he came to Boston. I think he represents what every team wishes they had more of - Winner. I think that you are right about betts and I think Kimbrel has many of the same qualities that Sale has. They are big time team players who want to win.
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Sorry Max - great play Mookie - The discussion I was involved in had something to do with what I really care about - fundamental baseball. The execution on the rundown up until the ball left Pedroia's hand was fine. If Pedroia had executed the play correctly he would have tagged Hamilton out while forcing him back to first. 3 guys in the rundown (in this case you had your ss at second just in case). Pedroia screwed it up but the plate should still have been covered. The play Mookie scored on was a great play by Mookie coupled with a bad throw to first. hamilton has great speed but he took advantage I'm afraid of some pretty piss poor fundamental baseball. It is good to talk real bb stuff sometimes too.
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Thank you for this piece of info Moon. I compiling my most important useful statistical data list and this one has to be up near the top. We just need a 3 letter abbreviation to identify it.
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You are right. This particular play was a little different. I'm thinking that with a runner on first base, Vazquez needs to see what is in front of him and becomes a traffic cop. There should have been some communication between the pitcher and the catcher on this one. On the pickoff, Workman really should have been the third guy invollved in that rundown. 3 guys should be all you need. 2 throws all you need. It was poor execution by all of them but I'm still thinking that Vazquez needed to be the guy at the plate. I hope they are talking about this one today.
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Speaking of Porcello - it was great what he did for us last year but I think that this might be closer to who he really is. A good solid mid rotation kind of guy. In all honesty, I don't think that there really is much difference between him and Fister. Sale - not ours Pomeranz - not ours E-Rod - not ours Price - not ours Porcello - not ours Fister - not ours We've done a pretty good job of amassing players that we did not develop I'd say. No impending cliff.
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Regardless of how they do in the playoffs, I think that this team has over achieved greatly. I say that but I also think that they have done it by playing the game the way I like to see it played. They have played with heart, with courage, with grit. The have come through in so many "clutch" situations that it is almost unbelievable. They have contributions from too many players to give credit to. They would be the last team that I would want to play if I was the manager of an opposing team. They could go out early but they could also go all the way. As much as I believe in balance if it boiled down to an either or - strengthening an already good pitching staff or somehow signing Stanton long term, I would go with pitching all day. Historically we have been able to develop our big hitters from within. Not so much with our pitchers.
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I was very upset that Shaw was traded. Bit the bullet thinking that Thornburg was going to be key in a relief role and that Sandoval would at least be able to stay afloat at third. Obviously it is behind us now and the hind sighting ******** that gets done here does no good at all. I never expected to see Devers with us this year. Now that he is i'm very glad that he is. I'm still thinking that he will be our third baseman for some time.
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0 quit in these boys. After things started happening late, did you really ever doubt them getting it done. Not me!
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Nope - not really questioning the move with respect to either party. Personally if Pomeranz becomes that solid #2 or maybe even the 1- that he might become, it would not matter to me what anyone thought of the trade. I truly hope that Espinoza becomes that guy although I would not bet on him doing it. This trade made sense for us when it was done and if Pomeranz is resigned and continues to pitch at the level he is at, it would continue to make great sense going forward. This was win for the Red Sox the day the ink dried on the minor details.
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There is no doubt about the fact that Espi could become the pitcher many have suggested that he might. The point that I am trying to make is that no one knows what the end game for Pomeranz might be. Quite a few people have thrown out guesses based on what he has done over the past couple of years. I don't think that they know. I really think that there is chance maybe even a good chance that his best years are ahead of him.
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Debunking the 3 year window myth -- the Red Sox in 2020
cp176 replied to Fan_since_Boggs's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
I'm somewhat of a Hanley convert myself. I hope that he can come through for us as well as for himself. I saw him in Portland and am pretty sure that we at least sort of know why he was traded in spite of the awesome potential that he had. He has matured. He seems very solid to me. We need the throw back Hanley! Let's go. -
The latest interview with Pomeranz pretty much sums up how I feel about this big kid. He quite clearly is happy to be here and in no way does he think that we have seen the best of him. he has some solid personal performance goals for the future and I hope we get a chance to see him develop as he moves along. The potential for this pitching staff to be about as good as there is is right there. I would keep as many of them together as I possibly could.