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i agree with respect to Kimbrel not sure about that sale thing just yet though. I will also add that even though it borders on blasphemy here in this land of everything can be measured, that for the most part most teams (possibly all) pretty much figure that it is game over when the red bearded wonder starts to warm up. i'll admit to having a soft spot for him as well as not being very tolerant of his critics. With what he and his family have gone through and with what he brings to the table nightly, there is no team in baseball that would not profit from having him on their roster.
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that is a plan larry!
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i'll answer this honestly and i will even try to be serious. I'm not sure what he winds up getting but I would be quite surprised if he gets offered more than 3 years from the Sox. maybe 20 per maybe not. if he gets a better offer, obviously he is likely to fly. This team will miss not only his tremendous talent but also his mental approach to the game. when he has had his tough runs we all have bitched a bit and even suggested that his end is coming but in a situation where you need one man to get one out with the game on the line I think that there is no one better. he represents the current standard when you are talking about that one special reeliever these days. if he is not with us next year it will be a shame but I have a lot of faith in dombrowski and I think that he will do the right thing for this team going forward.
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if you did you sure as hell shouldn't have. For the record, I like Kimbrel - you probably couldn't have figured that out. He is exactly the type of player that any winning team and program needs. Whether he comes back or not really is no big deal to me, I just like teasing those who know everything just a little. it is what I do. off i go - I need my beauty sleep!!!
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I'm with you. That is so true. Not everyone here thinks that home field makes any difference though. Oh well - I sure as hell do and I'm guessing the players do as well.
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Slasher - don't take the comment personally. reading your comments is good for my soul. lol
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guess we will just have to wait and see what happens ...
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Hey notin, i get the point that you think DD is still working for the Tigers as well. I don't really agree with Slasher and it likely is that he doesn't agree with himself here either. Suggesting that it is a choice between Kimbrel and anyone else is just a bit premature. Let's see what is Kimbrel's current save total this year? Yup we didn't him - we got Kelly, Brasier, Hembree, Barnes, Smith, Thornbure etc. ...
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I agree and it is also possible that he wants to come back to Boston. It has been a pretty good gig for him and Boston does mean something to him and his family.
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this is the truth. pretty sure that all Sox fans do and should feel confident but I think that although wonderful all of this years accomplishments go to the back burner - anything can happen now!
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Is there anyone you think Moon who has said that they would actually be in favor of signing Kimbrel to 5 years at 20 million? Where does this stuff come from? I probably have missed something once again but saying that you would be opposed to that deal is good. As far as I can tell, so is everybody else. The primary point still exists - trying to replace him by signing a bunch of relievers in hopes that one of them will pan out is a major stretch. He is the best in the game and simply letting him walk away with no effort to sign him would be a joke and likely will not happen. DD will do due diligence and probably will make the right decision. I like his track record.
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Hey come on - there are plenty of people here who think that we would have done the same without Martinez! Imagine that - I like having them both.
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Based on records, there are some great teams in the American League. It is hard to believe that the Yanks may wind up winning 100 and still finish 9 or so games out of first place. It has been a long season, and when October arrives anything can happen in any series. The record may indicate that someone kind of lays over the field but I think it best to forget what the regular season records indicate pretty soon. I would imagine that Cora will proceed as he has been. You want to make sure that everybody is rested but you don't want to shut anybody down right now.
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Oh stop - I basically quoted you. What camp am I in? I kind of think that I'm one of those guys who doesn't fit a camp. I don't recall saying that I would be in favor of signing Kimbrel long term at any cost. if I did, I take it back. At this point in time the suggestion of any dollar figure really is a joke. No one knows. My point - He just won't be as easy to replace as some seem to be suggesting.
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Where is the $100 million figure coming from?
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What? Do you really think that if Kimbrel is not resigned, that there is anyone on the planet who wouldn't expect a few other relief pitchers to be added? Sounds like you just being you notin. lol The great debate does seem to be if he walks what do you replace him with and how much will it cost to keep him? I keep reading this figure - 100 million - where is this coming from? I think that the assumption made here that he will get 5 years from Boston is also kind of out there. Doesn't matter what others have received, I doubt it happens. If he got an offer of more than 20 per year foe 3 from Boston I would be surprised. Once again though, he is the best in the business and losing him is going to create just one more bullpen issue. That is my point.
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1.yes (to me) 2.not sure how to answer some of these ones - I think that it is hypothetical to think that trying to keep Kimbrel becomes and either or situation. We might not be able to keep any of these guys. Obviously i don't look ahead and try to guess what the market is going to look like in a couple of years. It changes too much as a result it really doesn't interest me. Your very last statement is the most meaningful to me. Absolutely we have found solid closers before but to me what we have done in the past with closers would never serve as justification for letting the best walk if he could be signed for something reasonable well knowing that it is an overpay. I tend to look at the jumbled mess we have in the bullpen currently. Just about everything I have read here about the bullpen has been negative. What we have is someone that we seem to be able to count on at the backend. I like having some stability without worrying about having to go searching for it.
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I have heard your suggestion of signing 3 or 4 relief pitchers who appear to be solid (you never really know) and possibly finding your closer this way before here numerous times. Normally I would say that it is a decent idea. In this case, I'm not buying it. It may happen but Kimbel's impact on this team's success is monstrous. You don't let the best get away without a major effort to sign him. I'm not for using all available resources to sign him but the notion that his leaving won't possibly have a big time negative effect on us isn't working for me.
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Well yes I guess that certainly is a point but maybe I should have been clearer. I probably would not have responded to this at all if I did not get the impression that there are people who do not truly grasp how important he has been and is to this team. The suggestion has been made that relief pitchers and even closers might be a dime a dozen. That might be true to a certain extent unless you are talking about the best in the business which Kimbrel is. Losing the best may hurt a lot more than paying more than you want to for him.
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No one here seems to be disagreeing that signing Kimbrel for more than 3 years would be a good deal. He turned 30 years old in May and saying that he is close to a decline is an assumption based on statistics saying that it just seems to happen. That is logical but every situation is different. He could very well pitch well for a number of years. Throwing relievers out there and hoping that one will emerge has been tried. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. He is the best we got for sure coming out of that pen. He has 42 saves this season - 42. He may become too expensive to keep but saying that overpaying for his talent will be devastating to our franchise imo is just silly. He is and has proven to be too valuable to just allow him to walk without a major effort to keep him. A big market team isn't likely to start going small all of a sudden.
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I tend to agree with you. If a slightly better than average catcher who can hit just a little bit is available out there, I would not be surprised at all if one of the two are gone before next year. At this point in time, I don't see what makes Vazquez particularly valuable to this team moving forward. Leon I guess I get. He is and has been a better receiver than Vazquez for some time now. Maybe Vazquez's contract makes him the one who stays but trading him for an upgrade somewhere else would not bother me at all. I was particularly less than impressed with him the other night when i watched E-rod continually hit his mitt which was placed inches outside of the inside corner of the plate. I kind of thought that maybe he would bring it in to the zone after about the fifth time - nope.
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Once again - when you have the best in the game showing no real slippage the suggestion that overpaying him for possibly 3 years is a personal opinion based upon nothing other than what someone thinks the market will look like. The suggestion that it would represent a "huge " mistake once again is a personal opinion based upon what someone feels the franchise should do. It is likely that John Henry sees it differently.
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Of course you know that I'm with you here but what the hell I also believe that protection in the lineup is a real thing as well as momentum. And for the record, if Mookie Betts was hitting in the 3 hole for us all season there would not be any debate whatsoever as to who the MVP is this year. His RBI total would more than shove him over the top.
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I'm not worried about it at all. It's all about the thread that I find interesting. it is a topic that I find interesting.
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Yup - I'm just not sure that cheaping out and letting the best in the business walk away is the way to go. I think that in general relief pitchers and maybe even closers aren't that difficult to replace. In this case though, I think you have to consider what we have what he has done and what he very might well continue to do. The asking price might become too high but he is worth quite a bit more than the average reliever.