Bellhorn04
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Fans can never win though, because if they do that they're depriving themselves of a pleasure they once had.
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Agreed.
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Yes. The thing is, though, almost all of the money is dependent on the popularity of the game. It's a constant theme in here that young people are not that into baseball etc. Games are too long and too boring etc. I know that legal gambling is a big source of revenue now. But my sense of logic says that at some point the bubble has to burst a little. The money comes from us.
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Yes, 11M at 12% for 16 years = 67M. Compounding is an amazing thing. Here's the table: 1 11.00 12.32 2 12.32 13.80 3 13.80 15.45 4 15.45 17.31 5 17.31 19.39 6 19.39 21.71 7 21.71 24.32 8 24.32 27.24 9 27.24 30.50 10 30.50 34.16 11 34.16 38.26 12 38.26 42.86 13 42.86 48.00 14 48.00 53.76 15 53.76 60.21 16 60.21 67.43
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It's conceivable that baseball becomes less popular and less lucrative at some point, regardless of what the owners do. It kind of baffles me that the money can keep growing the way it has, when we hear so much about young people losing interest in baseball etc.
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Then the future of the game must still be in great shape...
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And yet, how can we say the game is in big trouble on one hand, and say there's no risk in owning a team on the other? There is definitely risk. We just haven't seen anyone get burned by it yet.
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I think the players did a s***** job in the last 2 CBA's and now they're trying to make up for it. Where were all the concerns about minimum salaries and tax threshold increases then? Now they're looking for big increases. s***** negotiating is s***** negotiating.
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I don't think I have much sympathy for the players any more either. Is a minimum salary of $700 K + really so bad? The bottom line is, if you're a really good player, you're going to make a ton of money.
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Yep. And the supposed counterargument was that they tried that in 1994 and it backfired. I'm not going to pick sides any more. They're all f***ing up royally. The whole process needs to change, because they've proven they can't be counted on to negotiate with a sense of urgency.
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They're idiots. It never occurred to them that maybe they should keep 2022 intact after 2020 was ruined by COVID, there's a war going on et cetera. They're in their own selfish little world. They're not in the real world.
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It's time to call it what it is. The people responsible for this are a bunch of bumbling buffoons who will ruin the whole season, and the government probably needs to step in and appoint an arbitrator (as if they don't already have enough to deal with).
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It's time for the government to call these guys out for being bozos, for f***ing up the game of baseball yet again, when there are much bigger problems going on in the world, when people could really use the national pastime.
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What they really need to fix is the nature of these goddamn CBA negotiations! Maybe the CBA's should be shorter in length, so the parties aren't as worried about getting locked into a horrible deal. Maybe they need a systematic process to resolve issues, an agreement that after a certain point it goes automatically to an arbitrator. I don't have the answer, but this has been one stupid spectacle.
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You have somewhat of a point but you're also conflating some things. If Kimmi was here I'm sure she would say that the reason the playoffs are a crapshoot is because of the nature of baseball and the randomness of a short series. And some of the small market teams have done well for their payroll, but in the big picture they haven't won many championships. And some of them have become dismal, like Pittsburgh, Miami, Colorado etc.
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I've never been a big fan of "Debt service fees" either. There are interest charges, which everyone understands, and there are up-front fees with a lot of loans. Now, as a bean-counter it's impossible for me to resist pointing out that if you buy a Lexus and finance it, only the interest portion of the payments is an 'expense'. The full payment is, of course, an outflow of cash.
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I don't know that anyone's discounting player development costs. Those would presumably be roughly the same for every organization. Debt service expense is certainly one that would vary a lot. I believe that this particular expense is the one Hal Steinbrenner has been using to explain why the Yankees don't spend on payroll like drunken sailors the way they once did.
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If they really wanted to use the luxury tax as a way of spreading the wealth, they would lower the thresholds, lower the tax rates, and remove the other penalties. Then more teams would pay more tax and more money would go to the smaller market teams.
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What are these non-payroll 'distinct expenses' you speak of?
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I don't think it can be both.
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And what is the real goal of the luxury tax? Is it to spread wealth or to suppress spending? Sure seems like it's the latter.
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The players aren't on strike, but if you think they're the greedy ones you can argue that they should accept the owners' latest offer. I have mixed feelings, because it seems like the players are trying to make up for doing such a bad job in the last two CBA's.
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It's not your bad, or anyone's bad. We're all just spewing off in our own way LOL
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It's ridiculous that the tax thresholds are such a big issue. It only affects a few teams anyway. It just shows what blockheads these guys are.
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The point in question is the % of baseball revenues that teams put back into payroll.
