The payroll numbers are all relative. From 1999 to 2002, the last half of Duquette's tenure, the Sox were in the top 5 in payroll. In 2000, for example, the Sox were $81 million and the Yankees were #1 at $93 million. It was not until after Theo became GM that the Yankees put a much bigger gap between their payoll and everybody else's.
If the 2002 team was a finished product, why did it miss the playoffs for the 3rd year in a row.
Theo certainly added more than Ortiz to the 2003 team...does the name Bill Mueller ring a bell?
I have to challenge this statement. When the Red Sox acquired Manny after the 2000 season for 8 years and $160 million, that was the point at which they jumped into the payroll stratosphere, just behind the Yankees. And needless to say Manny was a big part of that foundation for 2004.
So it's a little revisionist to say that Duquette was working with a limited payroll compared to Epstein.
The thing is, Sox fans have no patience and they probably never will again, assuming the team continues to be rich. If they miss the playoffs for the third year in a row people aren't going to want to hear about building for a great 2015 team. That's the predicament this FO is in now.
The Red Sox right now seem to be a good example of the whole being less than the sum of the parts. Maybe that has a lot to do with dissension and the lingering effects of last year. It's pretty hard to rule that out.
I don't think the team should freak out and start making rash moves. That could be disastrous. But if Josh Beckett is the clubhouse cancer and they can make a smart trade for him then sure, do it.
In general I think 2012 is probably going to be another one of those years Sox fans are just going to have to suffer out till things get better. Do we have smart people at the top is the real question, I guess.
They may still use the 'Scutaro money' to get a pitcher before the deadline. I'm sure Lucchino knows that if they don't he's going to have to explain why at some point.
Just remember, you were the one who said this:
Hamels vs. Shields: Hamels, but not by much. His ERA is lower, but he pitches in the NL.
Hamels' career ERA is 3.39, Shields' is 3.94. That's a difference of .55 runs per game. Yet you are saying Hamels but not by much. So in effect you are saying that ERA, in itself, is not totally reliable and needs to be adjusted for other factors. You may not realize it but you're contradicting yourself.
Cliff Lee is having a very weird season. The Phillies' 24 million-a-year co-ace is putting up typical numbers in most departments: 11 starts, 77.2 innings, 3.48 ERA, 1.12 WHIP, 77 K, 14 BB.
The weird part, of course, is the W-L record: 0-3.
Sure they were. But again, the 2002 Red Sox missed the playoffs for the third year in a row, and we all know what the 2003 and 2004 teams did.
In 8 years Duquette's Red Sox teams won a total of one postseason series and five postseason games.