I really didn't mean it that way. Kimmi has stated 'The cliff exists until it doesn't' repeatedly, like a mantra, and it sounded to me like a statement of fact. But she clarified it that it's an opinion.
I argue with you and Kimmi and Notin about the Cliff and Ben a lot, but I have as much respect for the opinions of you 3 as anyone's. If I didn't respect your opinions I probably wouldn't argue with you as much.